The HCSB Has No Soul

CLue me in, what is the HCSB? I don't recall seeing that before.

 

HCSB = Christian Standard Bible /Holman, 2003/

 

That's because 'Nephesh' does not just mean 'soul' in the English sense but can (and does) also mean, 'me', 'my life' etc.

 

TC's new theme song...

Comin to ya on a dusty road
Good lovin I got a truck load
And when you get it you got something
So dont worry cause Im coming

Im a soul man
Im a soul man
Im a soul man
Im a soul man

 

I think I will go along with our newcomer here . Kiwimac has it right .

BTW , for Ps. 42:1 the NLTse and NET Bible do not have 'soul' in the text -- the TNIV does . For Ps. 23:3 the NLTse and NET do not have soul in the text , but the TNIV does . For Ps. 63:1 the NLTse and NET Bible have the word 'soul' , but the TNIV does not . The NET note says Or: "I Thirst" .

I think many more examples can be found in both the Old and New Testaments where the English word 'soul' is not necessary to convey the meaning of the original .

 

I thought I would do a small survey . In all of the following references the NET Bible retained the word 'soul' .
T = TNIV Yes = It has the word .
N =NLTse No = It dos not .
H = HCSB

Job 21:25 , Job 30:16 , Ps. 57:8 , Pro. 13:19
T - Yes ,No ,Yes ,Yes
N - No , No ,No , No
H - Yes ,No ,Yes ,No

Pro. 16:24 , Matt. 10:28 , Matt. 22:37, Mk. 14:34

T - Yes ,Yes ,Yes ,Yes
N - Yes ,Yes ,Yes ,Yes
H - No ,Yes ,Yes , Yes


Luke 1:46 , Heb. 4:12 , James 5:20 , 1 Peter 2:11

T - Yes ,Yes ,No ,Yes
N - Yes ,Yes ,No ,Yes
H - Yes ,Yes ,No ,No

1 Pet. 2:8 , 3 John 1:2 ,

T - Yes ,Yes
N - Yes ,No
H - No ,Yes

So , how many retained 'soul' ?

T - 12
N - 8
H - 8 Are we to conclude that the TNIV is the most conservative from this ? It scored 12 out of 14 .

Some remarks : In Ps. 57:8 the NLTse had 'heart' . In Pr. 16:24 the HCSB's footnote said the literal was 'throat' . In James 5:20 the word 'life' was used in the HCSB . In 3 John 1:2 the word 'spirit' was used in the NLTse .

 

TinyTim,

Oh, my. You better hope some musical pharisee doesnt show up and give you a good "tongue lashing" for corrupting us all with that verse #2 up there.

Theres one guy in particular I'm thinking of. Cant remember his username. You know whom I'm talking about, I'm sure.

Mike :thumbs:

 

Sorry TCG . Even the NASBU did not use the word 'soul' for one reference . In Psalm 57:8 it uses 'my glory' instead of 'my soul'. So it scores just one point more than the TNIV here -- 13 out of 14 points .

 

Another Small Survey

I looked up ten more references where the NET Bible used 'soul' in its text . The TNIV , NLTse , HCSB and the NASU all had the word 'soul' in Matthew 26:38 , Luke 2:35 and John 12:27 .

Again T= TNIV , N = NLTse , H = HCSB , and NA = NASU .

Gen. 49:6 , 1 Sam. 1:15 , Job 3:20 , Ps. 62:5
T - No ------Yes-----------Yes---------- Yes
N - No ------No------------No ----------No
H - No ------No------------No-----------Yes
NA - Yes ---Yes------------Yes----------Yes

Pro. 23:16 , Jer. 4:19 , Acts 2:27
T -No ------No----------No
N -No------No----------Yes
H -No------Yes---------Yes
NA -No-----Yes---------Yes

So , in this little treatment the NASU got 9 out of 10 , TNIV got 6 as did the HCSB . The NLTse got 4 . All 4 versions did not use 'soul' in Proverbs 23:16 .

 

On a road of dust, I cometh
Good charity fills my wagon
And when you get charity you have something
Feareth not, I come

I'm a soul'd man

KJ version

Comin to ya on a dusty road
Good lovin I got a truck load
And when you get it you got something
So dont worry cause Im coming

Im a man
Im a man
Im a man
Im a man

HCS version

There was a thread a while back about this: "He restoreth my soul" [LINK]

I've come to believe that "soul" should not be translated and the the more recent versions are correct here.

My own conclusion was that this may have been a contributing factor to the ancient debate between the Pharisees and the Sadducees on whether there was an afterlife.

Rob

 

There is a bit of a textual variant in the Hebrew text of Psalm 57:8,
some manuscripts read [כְבוֹדִי ] = “kevodi” = “my glory” while others read, [כְּבֵדִי ] “kevedi” = “my liver”, both would imply the sense of “my full being”.

Rob

 

Well, I don't read any Hebrew, so have to take the word of others more learned than I, on this. I checked the English versions on Bible Gateway, to find various ways of rendering of Ps. 57:8, by different versions, including, "glory", "soul", "heart", "life", and "spirit".

I dunno' about anyone else, but for me, somehow, "Wake up, my liver!" , or "My liver pants for You", just doesn't seem to have quite the same ring to it, as some better known phrases. :smilewinkgrin: :laugh:

Ed

 

Hey Rip, thanks for doing all that 'leg work'. It seems that its the NET that is the most conservative!

 

Love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.
Deuteronomy 6:5 HCSB


"Soul" in the NET (39X in the OT)

Genesis 49:6

Deuteronomy 4:29; 26:16

1 Samuel 1:15; 2:35

2 Kings 23:25

Job 3:20; 7:11; 10:1; 21:25; 30:16; 30:25; 33:20

Psalm 42:5; 42:11; 43:5; 57:8; 62:5; 63:1; 63:5; 63:8; 103:1; 103:2; 103:22; 104:1; 104:35; 116:7; 143:6; 146:1;

Proverbs 11:30; 13:19; 16:24; 23:16; 24:14;

Jeremiah 4:19; 6:16; 20:9; 29:13; 31:25



35X in the HCSB OT

Deuteronomy 4:29; 6:5; 10:12; 11:13; 11:18; 13:3; 26:16; 30:2; 30:6; 30:10

Joshua 22:5; 23:14

Judges 5:21

2 Chronicles 34:31

Job 7:11; 10:1; 21:25; 30:25; 33:18; 33:20; 33:28

Psalm 19:7; 57:8; 62:5; 103:1; 103:2; 103:22; 104:1; 104:35; 116:7; 146:1

Ecclesiastes 7:28

Isaiah 38:15

Jeremiah 4:19

Lamentations 3:17

...and 44X in the NLT


A good study question would be, "Why is there “soul” in these verses and not in the others?"

Rob