Featured Calvnism getting hammered lately on this board

plain_n_simple;

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Some on BB do offer a scriptural challenge. Their questions are responded to, line by line with verses offered back.

If a poster offers most every verse out of context and not really on topic...there is no place for a response as it becomes incoherent.
When so many verses are used out of context...it is as if no scripture was offered at all...because when the bible is misused so badly...it is not being used as it is intended to be.

Most every Cal...as Brian has recently expressed would offer help to any who really want help. This is balanced by some scriptural commands;

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
or here in 2 tim

14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

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P/S.....we should all be here seeking for truth and interacting in a positive way. Wrong ideas need to be exposed when they show up...by scripture used correctly and in context.

If you notice...when most of the cals do answer with scripture in this way...the other person goes away for several days as they cannot respond, except to accuse the people . Just keep watching for that as you go over the posts...:wavey:

 

I do not believe nor ever said that Paul teaches salvation by works .
Romans the way you were misusing it so badly .....you were suggesting a works salvation that's what I said .
your total misunderstanding of the verse made it seem as if you're using it to say that the Gentiles can be saved by works that was what you were suggesting if you read the post.

your repeated lie about I say that Romans two teaches works salvation was over already refuted and post 106 so why you deliberately lie I I suspect you have nothing else to say.

 

The truth on all of thise from you is NOT how we adress the questions posed to calvinists here, but to you on this all important fact...

Do you hold that we are saved as held by the Gospel of SDA, or by the Gospel of Christ?

 

Nice try....but I went an reread it.....I clearly stated that it does not teach salvation by works.....and when you bolded the part about Hebrews 8 you were saying that even without special revelation the gentiles would mystical ly be guided into keeping the law...
are you incapable of truth?
All of that being said....you are trying to sneak away from your empty usage of Jn 12...which you still cannot explain......

I am away from a computer at the moment if I have time later on I'll pull up the quote I'll show you exactly what was said exactly how you implied or with teaching a works salvation on the part of the Gentiles
how that's totally out to lunch and you have no comprehension of the verses you are piecing together as a patchwork quilt theology that doesn't hold any water

 

So we are made right with God apart from ANY works of the flesh, which would include keeping the Sabbath then?

 

BobRyan

I imagine you would be but I do not agree with you as I suspect you also have no desire to be honest when confronted,,,,you asked for it, here it comes friend:thumbs:

If you cannot even remember what you posted how are you sure that I did not respond....I will refresh your memory

I suggested an answer that you ignored-Originally Posted by Iconoclast View Post
Romans 2 leaves him condemned...as his conscience allows him to do some of the works of the law, but the works of the law cannot save him...he is still guilty and condemned.....

I thought this was clear enough
[some of the works of the law]
[but the works of the law cannot save him]
[he is still guilty and condemned]

to which your reply was you were going to school me...lol

No we were not discussing that....we were discussing jn 12:32...not jn 16, or romans 2...or rev 3:laugh:

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now you mention the verse,then try and distract again-

This verse is Jesus speaking to people already in the church....not all men everywhere...

So far you offer nothing to respond to...this is fluff.

you say nothing here.....:sleeping_2:
now you say this....

 

BobRyan



As I suspected you lack honesty and cannot deal with a Christian ethic. I showed where you offered a bogus , magical , works based idea for gentile salvation. you ignore it completely. You even questioned that it was you who offered Hebrews 8...and you did.....

The discussion is about your failure to support jn 12: 32...the thread was not an exposition of romans 2. I did give the portion of romans 2 that shows what paul was teaching but you still cannot understand it....instead you repeat your clown like posts then wonder why no one takes you serious.

No one is going to go back to a closed thread. Your response is no response but ignoring what I offered you.
I understand....I did not claim to have a vision like your prophetess so you cannot read it with understanding...

e details IN the text.[/QUOTE]

Then you quote your foolish posting of out of context verses. That is why no one even reads your posts now:wavey:

 

no need to lie...I do not blame romans 2 on anyone....

you still do not understand romans 2.....

this is not the gospel.....

 

[BobRyan

you offer nothing to respond to...I did not need to make any point...your posts are incoherent....no vitriol....no need to lie.

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quoting verses out of context....does nothing..

the discussion has nothing to do with it. When you failed to support jn 12...I guess you had to try something....

not at all...only in your mind.

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I know what jn 12 means...you do not.I do not need to attack jn 12...I am okay with the teaching.

you have not done so at all.

because you cannot grasp it does not make anything nonsensical

anyone who reads romans 2 understands what it is about, except for you evidently...the portion I offered explains itself...to Christian readers.

 

I guess you have been drinking tea????


Tea and coffee drinking is a sin, an injurious indulgence, which like other evils, injures the soul." (Counsels on Diet and Foods, p. 425, written in 1896).

As ludicrous as it seems today, Ellen White specifically stated that tea, as a beverage, "loosens tongues" and contributes to gossip: "When these tea and coffee users meet together for social entertainment, the effects of their pernicious habit are manifest. All partake freely of the favorite beverages, and as the stimulating influence is felt, their tongues are loosened, and they begin the wicked work of talking against others." (Counsels on Diet and Foods, p. 423, written in 1890

Is that why you twist my posts?:laugh::laugh:

 

or..do you also struggle with vinegar?
"I had indulged the desire for vinegar. But I resolved with the help of God to overcome this appetite. I fought the temptation, determined not to be mastered by this habit. For weeks I was very sick; but I kept saying over and over, The Lord knows all about it. If I die, I die; but I will not yield to this desire. The struggle continued, and I was sorely afflicted for many weeks. All thought that it was impossible for me to live. You may be sure we sought the Lord very earnestly. The most fervent prayers were offered for my recovery. I continued to resist the desire for vinegar, and at last I conquered. Now I have no inclination to taste anything of the kind. This experience has been of great value to me in many ways. I obtained a complete victory." (Ellen G. White, letter 70, 1911, reproduced in Counsels on Diet and Foods, page 485).