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Not what I meant. I was referring to your continual copy-and-paste of the same phrase. Even though Bro. Willis has explained to you what he meant, you continue to try to snow him under by using the same phrase. I agree with him, and neither one of us are saying Christ's death was ineffective. We're just pointing out that the death alone is not the stopping point. It also took His resurrection and ascension to complete our salvation.

 

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Is anyone saved if Christ be not risen?

 

Scripture does not contradict itself, and Paul wrote to the Corinthians that our faith is in vain if Christ is not risen. We are saved by grace through FAITH, and if our faith is vain without the resurrection, then it kinda proves the necessity of the resurrection for our salvation. If the death alone was enough to save us then the OT system could've continued. But the writer of Hebrews explains that Christ was a change in the Priesthood, and a change in the Priesthood of necessity brings about a change in the Law, ergo, the OT system of sacrifice was not good enough. As the scripture said, Christ is the mediator of the a new covenant, speaking better things than Abel (who was recorded as offering blood sacrifice for atonement of sin).

 

No, it's not evasive. You are saying the death alone was enough to save. If that's true, then why did Paul say that our faith is vain if Christ is not risen?

Paul is, in effect, saying that our faith is valid because of the resurrection. It is in this resurrection that we see the symbol of our own pending resurrection, should the Lord tarry His coming long enough that we meet the physical death. Our outward symbol of our closeness to Christ upon salvation does not come from performing a task similar to hanging on a cross, but rather from performing a task similar to being buried and rising again (baptism).

Yes, we are healed by His stripes. Yes, the blood He shed on Calvary was shed for the remission of sins. But our hope lies in His resurrection, and how it shows us that He claimed victory over Death, Hell, and the Grave for us.

Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or No?

C'mon, SBM, you know better than that. "Yes or No" questions are a sure sign of either trolling or attempting to sidestep a conversation by forcing your opponent to answer in a way you set.

 

This is not as simple as "Yes or No," so the sooner you get off that dead horse the better. This is deep spiritual stuff we're talking about.

The death of Christ on the cross offer atonement for us, as His shed blood came for the remission of sins. Just as the lambs sacrificed under the old covenant brought atonement and remission. Only those were temporary, as the lamb of the old covenant could not pick back up its life. Christ could pick back up His life, and He did so, coming out of the grave victorious. Had he stayed in the grave, our faith would be in vain, per Paul's epistle to Corinth.

If our faith is in vain, then are we truly saved? I would argue NO, ergo it took more than just the death on the cross. This is not to discount the death on the cross, as it was absolutely necessary. But the resurrection was equally necessary in securing salvation.

 

You just evaded the latter part of my post. Do you even understand what I wrote? If so, show me you understand my points by explaining it back to me so we can discuss them.

 

So what did Paul mean when he wrote if Christ was not rise our faith is vain?

 

You haven't shown me you understood my points. If you did, tell me what they are. I would like to debate them with you. Are you going to show me you understand my points so we can discuss them or are you going to evade them?

 

You don't want discussion and debate, you just want people to repeat what you say. You evade almost every question posed to you. You start more rabbit trails than all the people you've accused of rabbit trails combined.:BangHead: