eschatology continued

Evidently, someone had convinced some of them that Jesus had already returned. Remember, they didn't have a bible as we do, and all Scripture hadn't yet been given. So, paul was reminding them those events wouldn't happen til the great antichrist had come. he was being held back then, and is still held back now, at least from coming to power yet. there were religious charlatans then, same as now. They're nothing new.

Jerusalem and the temple standing at that time were destroyed, and no man had yet fulfilled the prophecy of the "man of sin", so this is still a future event.

 

Perhaps because you think that "the day of the Lord" means the end of the world, it does not.

1Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. 2For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 3While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. 4But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; 5for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; 6so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober. 7For those who sleep do their sleeping at night, and those who get drunk get drunk at night. 8But since we are of the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation. 9For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. 11Therefore encourage one another and build up one another, just as you also are doing.
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Paul is comparing those who are of the day and the plight of those who are in darkness.

That "the day the Lord" returns (that single twenty hour period of time and not age or period of time) is not expected by those of the darkness, but looked forward to by the believers.

Paul is encouraging believers to be mindful that the promise of the return is not empty, but one to cherish.

 

They didn't know the exact prophecy.

 

the Holy Spirit.

Either they didn't know or remember the WHOLE PROPHECY, or they made the same mistake preterists often make now - not believing it LITERALLY.

 

Because that is what he has been taught.
It is just guesswork, based on a false understanding of prophecy taken out of context and its true meaning.

• 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

This is speaking about the time they had till the flood.
But they have forgotten the beginning and build all other theories on it.
Paul told the Thessalonians what it was and it would be unthinkable if they didn't pass the information on. They did and many left it in writing. The Roman Emperor, the Who and the Empire, the What.

 

There was no clearly laid out view regarding eschatology though ,not until the writings of the Apostles, as they were showing to us a second coming, millennium, and eternal state, but some were trying to blend all together, or to see it already happened.

You disagree with God when he stated to us thru them that the second coming will be seen by all eyes, be world wide, and that there shall be the resurrection of all saved right then and there?

 

Mainly due to the terms used signify not that it is happening right now, but that when it does start to happen, it will be quick!

 

The Second Coming of paul is still future.

 

Do you agree with that prohecy70 or his just making false accusations and the futurists always do?

 

There is NO multiple second comings, so there would be just One, and paul stated that when that one happens, there will be the resurrection of both dead and living in Christ, to being glorified.
His second coming will be physical and be seen by all, not a spiritual one, like the JW teach!

 

2t2 comes after 2T1 where Paul describes what is clearly the coming of the Lord Jesus for judgment of the wicked & glorification of the persecuted saints.

2T1:5 All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. 6 God is just: he will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marvelled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.​

Paul teaches that certain events must happen before that final day of the Lord:

2T2:3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.​

Now, as far as the Ts were concerned:
some had died (see 1T4) and Paul had assured them that they would not miss out on blessing.

1T4:13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus​

They were asleep in Jesus & when Jesus comes for resurrection, living & dead will be glorified, & ever with the Lord.

He had also told them that that Jesus' Olivet prophecy would be fulfilled to the uttermost:

1T2:14 For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you also suffered the same things from your own countrymen, just as they did from the Judeans, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men, 16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, so as always to fill up the measure of their sins; but wrath has come upon them to the uttermost.​

But in 2T1 they were still suffering persecution & no sign of Jesus coming to judge the unbelieving Jews.

Also Peter had to remind his readers:

2P3:1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming?​

In Hebrews 3 & 4 we read the warning that the Jews had 40 years to enter God's rest, or would suffer God's wrath for their unbelief.

God is gracious & longsuffering, but his patience will come to an end. The Jews will NOT be allowed to continue mocking Jesus & his warnings, warnings repeated by the Apostles.

Jesus coming to judge this generation that rejected him would certainly take place as prophesied. John repeats Jesus' prophecy against those who pierced Him in Rev. 1:7. But, not only had some of the Thes. believers died, it is likely that some of the Jewish leaders had also died. Herod had had his own private judgment. (Acts 12:20-23)

Jesus had given clear signs concerning the destruction in his Olivet prophecy. Paul by inspiration adds to those signs in 2T2.

 

When we read 2T2, we have read 6 preceding chapters. The Ts had the advantage oven us of Paul's personal teaching - 5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things?

The events that would happen before the day of the Lord would be centred on Jerusalem & the temple. He will occupy the temple & exalt himself as God in defiance of Jesus. His followers will believe their own delusions.

Why was God delaying judgment of the rebel Jews? And when would the man of lawlessness be revealed? And what & who were holding back the rebellion?

God is gracious, & James & many Christians continued to witness in Jerusalem. The had the 2 witnesses, Moses & the prophets. Jesus had warned:

Luke 16:30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.​

The Jews would rebel against the Romans. The believers would flee the city as Jesus had warned - now nothing would hold back the final judgment of the rebel Jews. Moses was a closed book - dead - but would soon be vindicated when Jesus came in clouds to effect the judgment.

As Moses, & Peter warned:

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ 24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these days.​

 

• Ruth 1:6 Then she arose with her daughters in law, that she might return from the country of Moab: for she had heard in the country of Moab how that the LORD had visited his people in giving them bread.

In AD 70 God came in judgement as he said he would,

• Matt 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
• 34And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
• 35And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
• 36Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
• 37But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
• 38But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
• 39And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
• 40When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
• 41They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
• 42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
• 43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

 

That's absolutely wrong. You simply must start avoiding those junky Internet sites and all of their failed "evidence," and do real research. The Greek word for "quickly" is taxu, an adverb. It does not refer to elapsed time, but to the actual speed at which Christ's coming will occur. The word occurs 17 times in the TR Greek NT, but only 3 times in Revelation referring to the 2nd Coming of Christ. All of these may be interpreted literally with no problems to the futuristic view.

The word "hour" refers several times to the 2nd Coming, mostly in the Olivet Discourse. so your figure of 101 is totally and completely wrong.

Odd that you keep coming up with these mistaken "facts" from somewhere on the Internet, I suppose, but in our PMs you won't believe me on a fact attested to by all scholars of eschatology, futurist or not.