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Which is better, the NKJV or the Niv 2011?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Yeshua1, Apr 3, 2018.

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  1. TCassidy

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    Actually I don't. I suggest you read "The Case For Byzantine Priority" authored by my friend Dr. Maurice Robinson, Senior Research Professor of New Testament Greek at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, (Retired) a man I believe to be the best textual critic alive today. You can find that excellent treatise at Robinson, The case for Byzantine priority

    Because the vast majority of the manuscript evidence points to the antiquity and historicity of the Byzantine textform, and God inspired and preserved His word, not the words of men.

    On the contrary, the majority of the manuscript evidence supports the reading "θεός."
     
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    the Byzantine textform is a collection of post 5th century Greek manuscripts, which cannot of themselves represent the best readings for every textual variant. It would be rather foolish to ignore or dismiss the older readings in older Mss, and those known to the ECF in their Greek New Testaments. Dr Robinson is indeed a fine scholar, but there are others, like Scrivener, Burgon, Kenyon, whose scholarship is no less, and findings very helpful, and who disagree with Robinson.

    For θεός at 1 Tim 3:16, I was referring to the Greek "texts", like N-A, UBS, etc.
     
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    Wouldn't that be ΘC using the lunate sigma (with the contraction line over it, of course)?
     
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    Read Robinson, The case for Byzantine priority

    You may find yourself enlightened. :)
     
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    Are you by the way KJVO then?
     
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    Was Dr Metzger a recognized authority in textual criticism though?
    Do you think Dr Daniel Wallace is either?
     
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    Everything is better than the NIV.
     
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    quite right!:D
     
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    did you say "authority"? he was, for Daniel Wallace!
     
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    his name is John Burgon. I am not stuck with anyone, but simply state that he, with Scrivener and Kenyon, were the foremost textual scholars probably ever in the Christian Church. Robinson, though good, is not in the same class as these, and certainly not Metzger or Wallace
     
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    KJVO is a MYTH, and I only believe in truth.
     
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    They have digitized the Codex Sinaiticus - 1 Timothy 3:16 is found at the bottom of the second column and continues at the top of the third. The ὃς and its corrector is observed on the second line of the third column [LINK].

    A facsimile scan of Codex Alexandrinus, 1 Timothy 3:13 with commentary is here [LINK]

    Rob
     
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    I think that he was for many more than just him!
    He was a recognized expert on textual affairs, but not for those areas that you mentioned!
     
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    I would agree with you on those first 3, but the others would be all recognized as being textual critic experts!
     
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    very LIBERAL though, and some of his judgements on textual decisions are way off. Even the textual evidence given in the UBS NT, in places is incomplete and wrong!
     
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    there are experts, and then there are EXPERTS, if you get my drift
     
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    Did you know that Metzger was the hacker of the Readers Digest Bible? The Bible warns about adding and taking away from God's Word.
     
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    Will from my username no surprise I would recommend the NKJV for sure. But I would follow whatever you think the Holy Spirit can guide you thru best.

    I really don't agree with many newer versions, but got my mom and sister both NIVs for Christmas. Would rather they read the KJV or something from the TR. But if I got them a KJV Bible it would collect dust but they read the NIV reguraly.
     
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