Preterists Cannot Prove Their Assertions !

Seems to be a case of "the pot calling the kettle black". Talk about twisting Scripture, the Futurist view is 100% conjecture and misunderstanding prophecy.

Of course symbolic passages point to something literal. There would be no point to them if they didn't. What you fail to see here is how this symbolic language points to the literal destruction of Jerusalem.

We agree that the Scriptures are not subject to "private interpretation" per 2 Peter 1:20-21. Yet, "futurists" have badly distorted events that have already happened as if they were meant for our day. If you read prophecy without the "futurist" blinders on, you will be amazed by what you learn.

 

I've given you proof a dozen times. You are determined not to see it.

 

The essential proof is that Jesus declared that he was the fulfilment of old covenant prophecy. Many thousands of Jews from Jerusalem and the nations responded to the new covenant Gospel.

Jesus' prophecies concerning the judgment of unbelieving Israel were fulfilled.

Now we look for his final coming for resurrection and judgment. We are living as servants of our victorious Saviour in a world populated by sinners for whom we have the Gospel.

There are no unfulfilled prophecies regarding the present millennium apart from Satanic rebellion that many believers are living and dying through.

Jesus' final prophetic words for us are at the end of his Olivet prophecy. "Watch and pray, you don't know when he is coming."

All this futuristic speculation is a serious distraction from Christian living.

 

First resurrection are those in Christ at Second coming, while Second one is for lost at GWT!

 

Would the sun and moon being obscured really be so unusual that the prophets had to write that down? While they don't happen every day, it's not all that rare either. Meteors are definitely not rare, and not worthy of a prophet making special mention of them. Therefore, I must respectfully disagree.
We've gone around and around about how the tribulation had already occurred. I don't think either of us have said anything for a while that we haven't already said in the course of this discussion. You will keep going back to the "literal end-of-the-world" argument, and I will keep coming back with the "symbolic-of-the-destruction-of-Jerusalem" argument.

 

The Second Coming event ends history as we now know it, as all things will then be under the reign of Christ directly!

 

The physical resurrection of those alive and died in Christ shall be happening, and the entire earth shall be affected!

 

I think I may have to agree with you there. I definitely see the GWT as a future event.

 

When did the dead and alive in Christ come out of their graves resurrected then?

 

All they have to do is to show when in history the resurrection of the alive and dead in Christ happened!

 

No. Either the so called third possibility is what is true, in which case it should be explicitly in evidence, or only the futurist position is the only possihle correct understanding in order for it to be true.

Matthew 24:29-31 has not literally happened as yet. That is the fact. Please present your hermeneutic in a clear irrefutable way.

 

Taking Scripture at face value is not the same as taking all Scripture with the literal view you hold to. Earlier you acknowledged that Scripture does use symbolism, which always points to something literal. On that basis, I am taking Scripture at their "sensus literalis" value - according to the literal meaning of the passage. As a reminder, that is looking at whether it is historical, poetic, etc.

You stated that Jesus said J would be destroyed in Luke 21. daniel has already prophesied the Roman destruction as well. Nothing symbolic about it. Let's take a closer look at Luke 21. V. 20 - When Jerusalem is surrounded by armies, her desolation (not destruction) is near. If we take what Jesus said literally, the ones who need to flee are in Judea; those in the city need to split, etc. They are in danger of falling by the sword. This describes 1st century Jerusalem to a "T", of course. I know you actually agree with me on this point.

Starting in vs. 25, Jesus said there will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars. This clearly states that He is speaking symbolically from that point. You will either have to remind me of specifically where Daniel speaks of the Roman destruction.

 

To the contrary, you are only parroting the same old "end of the world" scenario that has been around for years. Not a shred of evidence for these claims.