John MacArthur and Beth Moore

Friel asked for mac to respond to his list with one word. He then said Beth Moore and mac said go home. It was all very juvenile.

 

It was disrespectful to Moore. She may be a false teacher (I haven't heard her or read her material), but when you are in a group of men who hold pride in their hearts and then belittle women...that is incorrect.
Second, when Paul states that he does not allow women to speak, from what I have been told, the Greek structure can be interpreted "I do not presently, at this moment, allow women to speak." There is an obvious reason for this in that women were nearly always uneducated at that time. Paul, then, leaves the possibility for women to speak and teach in the future tense.
Also, we know that women did evangelize and teach because Timothy was greatly influenced by the women in his life. Aquilla and Pricilla worked alongside Paul. Etc.

What I see in this congregation of men is a pride in their part, as well as a claim to hold power, which MacArthur denigrates when talking about "feminists."

The discussion was disrespectful. It seems that everyone should have followed Voddie Baucham's lead and slept through this session.

 

Again, your opinion is that it is Juvenile, but what was actually wrong with it?

 

How did they belittle women? I didn't hear that at all in the audio. Also, how was it disrespectful?

We can debate the merits of your interpretation of the passage. But the idea that this was somehow men having pride to claim hold of their power? You would have a hard time getting that from the actual discussion. Again, how was the discussion actually disrespectful?

 

He did. He said go home you are not qualified to preach. What do you think that is?

 

Interesting, and, if I may, what does that have to do with anything? And also, how do you define meek? And also, where are we commanded to be meek?

 

That is whats wrong with it. Talking about errors is one thing making fun of and bashing is another. Saying go home is crass and juvenile.

 

But what did Paul know? He was just an apostles. Surely ole J.D. and Beth know more than he did.

 

Blunt, but he has been blunt for 50 years. Why change?

 

Yes, and this is not a command to be meek.

This is taken out of context. At the end of chapter two what did he say? Rebuke with all authority.

Again, you should look at the context of this verse. This is not talking about how to deal with false teaching.

Yes, thank you for the English definition. In English translations the word meek is only found once. Matthew 5:5. It does carry the sense of humbleness.

There is nothing in saying "Go Home" that is not humble. What does being patient and long-suffering mean to you? Do we just let false teaching go unchecked? No, that is absurd. There is nothing with saying go home that is not gentle, or not modest, or not peaceable. It is speaking the truth, especially since you take "Go Home" out of the greater context of the full comment.

 

God bless John MacArthur. He's a gift to this age, but getting up there. Hope there are some good voices to take his place.

 

I agree it tells us to be humble and gentle in certain situations, but where does it command us to be meek? Where is the verse? (Hint, it isn't there, at least not in the way you are trying to define meek.)

 

Yeah, these would have been equally furious with Jesus' brood of vipers comment and Peter's bruit beasts comment. We're in a hypersensitive age.

 

Man you spoke too soon. I was waiting on the next response before I pulled that card. lol

 

I know MacAruthur well. Sat in his pews many years. He's a good man, and very respectful, humble, even meek. But he doesn't tiptoe around false teachings, nor teachers.

 

Which is biblical.