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I'm driving right now I cannot show the whole link but when I can open up that link it's going to ask answer every question plus any that haven't even been asked yet to link is very thorough and it's not just comparing this commentary with that it's very exact and zeroes in on the key issues that these other ideas do not this is sent from voice to text

 

Be careful out there bro!

 

Jon's
Your post is saying Jesus was a murder victim, rather than the Divinely given substitute.
The text is clear....He was made sin for us...the link clarification is solid.

Crossing Minnesota should be in Wisconsin in about an hour and then I have one more delivery today and then later on I'll get on the laptop

 

The text clearly says Christ suffered unjustly. i am not sure what you want me to say? i didn't really give commentary, i just copy and pasted Scripture. God the Father used this heinous evil--as HE always planned to--to bring about good. Christ willingly gave up His life for our sins. It's all there my friend--without having to say the wrath of God was poured out on Him.

 

1 Corinthians 15:3
Christ died for our sins

Does this mean Christ died "in stead of" our sins?

 

This is also called an "allusion" --an expression designed to call something to mind without mentioning it explicitly; an indirect or passing reference.

Other translations have "sin offering" in the footnotes, I.e. NIV

 

There are three reasons why I don't believe that ἁμαρτια can mean 'sin offering' here. I will post those reasons tomorrow. I'm preaching on YouTube tomorrow morning to an empty church, which is actually quite difficult to do, so I need to be well prepared tonight.

 

jon....who took the wrath and penalty that your sins deserved?
was there no penalty?
were those sins just winked at?
Abraham goes to offer Issac gen22
God provides a substitute sacrifice
Did Abraham not slay the sacrifice?
Those who have no substitute for their sin, do they just miss out on a few nice things?
What are we told by Jesus is the condition of those who go into second death?..
weeping, nashing of teeth?
why?
what do you think my mediator, and surety took in my place?
where does the broken law of God come into your gospel proclamation Gal4:4?
where does any ACTUAL Propitiation take place in your scheme?
why was it necessary?
Your view cannot accurately portray the Covenant work of our Great High Priest without serious defect as I understand it.

 

post 92 suggests my sins did not need to be punished at all, as you say...NNE TOOK THAT WRATH UPON THEMSELVES?

Why as Jesus began approaching the cross did He begin to sweat blood?

All sin is punished by the Sinner or the substitute.
It is God who punishes sin.
There is no force that mysteriously has to be overcome.
No mention of the broken law of God and yet that is central to the gospel message.

 

JonShaff,

Christ died for our sins...according to the scriptures

Which scriptures JonSchaff?
Which scriptures speak of the need and purpose of the cross?
Why do you suggest...we have sinned ...so Christ dies?
Why, if He dies does it relate to our sins?

Are sins alive? I do not follow this comment.

You had asked about the phrase being made sin; from the link;
1]
Murray writes that when we try to expound on God making Christ sin...

Although poieo (made) can mean “make something into something (else),” the meaning in 2Co 5:21 is not “God made the sinless one into sin” (as in the Jerusalem Bible), but “God caused the sinless one to be sin,” where poieo denotes causation or appointment and points to the divine initiative. But we should not forget that matching the Father’s set purpose to deliver Christ up to deal with sin (Acts 2:23; Ro 8:32) was Christ’s own firm resolution to go to Jerusalem to suffer (Mk 8:31; Lk 9:51). Jesus was not an unwilling or surprised participant in God’s action. (International Greek Testament)

2]
Him Who knew no sin - The sinless Lamb of God Christ Jesus. This was an absolute requirement for Jesus to qualify to bear the full wrath of God against the sins for others. Paul is referring specifically to the time of Jesus' incarnation, not to His pre-existent state.

The UBS Handbook says that...The words who knew no sin are a Hebraic expression which means “to have no personal experience with sin.”

3] Hughes adds that...Only He who was entirely without sin of His own was free to bear the sin of others. And only God-become-Man could achieve this unblemished victory over Satan and death for our fallen and rebellious race. Such a Mediator was absolutely essential for our reconciliation to God.

4]
Guzik notes that...

The idea that any man could be sinless was foreign to Jewish thinking (Ecclesiastes 8:5). But when Jesus claimed to be sinless, no one challenged Him (John 8:46). Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, Paul carefully chooses his words. He does not say Jesus was made to be a sinner. Jesus never became a sinner, but He did become sin for us. Even His becoming sin was a righteous act of love, not an act of sin. Jesus was not a sinner, even on the cross. But on the cross, the Father treated Him as if He were a sinner. Yet all the while, sin was "outside" of Jesus, not "inside" Him, and a part of His nature (as it is with us).

 

Now it continues with Spurgeon;
Spurgeon writes that in regard to Jesus being made to be sin...

Christ was not guilty, and could not be made guilty;

but He was treated as if he were guilty, because He willed to stand in the place of the guilty.


Yea, He was not only treated as a sinner, but he was treated as if He had been sin itself in the abstract.

This is an amazing utterance. The sinless One was made to be sin. Sin pressed our great Substitute very sorely. He felt the weight of it in the Garden of Gethsemane, where he “sweat as it were great drops of blood falling to the ground.” The full pressure of it came upon him when he was nailed to the accursed tree. There in the hours of darkness he bore infinitely more than we can tell. (The Heart of the Gospel)

 

Concerning the unlikely rendering"sin offering";
Criswell writes that...This verse is a beautiful and concise summation of the gospel, a gospel of reconciliation. "To be sin" could mean "to be a sin-offering," but this gives the word "sin" two different meanings in the same breath, and it weakens the contrast with "righteousness." Paul does not say that Christ was made a sinner; indeed, His sinlessness is clearly affirmed. What Paul says is that Christ was made "to be sin." The meaning is shown by the similar statement that Christ became a curse for us (Gal. 3:13). He bore the sins of believers so that in the sight of God they might be righteous.

Here again CHS;
C. H. Spurgeon - If our Lord's bearing our sin for us is not the gospel, I have no gospel to preach.

Made...to be sin - The words "to be" are not in the Greek text but are added by the translators. Note Jesus was not made sinful but sin. Paul is not saying that Jesus became a sinner or that God made Him commit sins. The NT (see passages above) repeated testifies to our Lord's sinless state which definitively excludes the possibility that He was ever a sinner. He was not a sinner and He did not become one on the Cross! On the Cross, Christ was not personally guilty of sin. Nor was He punished for ANY SIN OF HIS OWN.

 

Here again, commenting on your idea of a "sin offering"


James Smith - He was made sin for us. He was not made a sinner—or He could not have been an acceptable sacrifice for sin. Sin was not transfused into Him, though it was laid upon Him (1Pe 2:24). He was made an offering for sin, or a sin offering, and therefore He was treated as a sinner. The sins of all He represented, of all for whom He became a substitute—were placed to His account. He became answerable for them. He voluntarily undertook to become responsible for them (He 10:7, 9).

The whole debt became His (Ro 3:23). Our breaches of the law—were to be answered for by him.

Therefore as sin was imputed to Him, or placed to His account, it was punished in His person. All that it was necessary to inflict, in order to satisfy divine justice, and present an example of God's hatred to sin, to the universe, was inflicted on Him.

The whole curse of the law (Gal 3:13), the whole desert of sin, the whole of the wrath of God for sin, was put into one cup, and presented to Him. He looked into it and trembled, crying out, "Now is my soul troubled, and what shall I say?" He took it, and fell to the ground, blood oozing from every pore of his body, he cried in bitter agony (Lk 22:44), "If it is possible—let this cup pass from me!" (Mt 26:39)



He drank of it, and exclaimed, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Mt 27:46) But it pleased the Lord to bruise him, Jehovah put him to grief, when he made his soul an offering for sin (Isa 53:10KJV). O the tremendous agony which He endured! O the depths of woe through which He waded! O the waves and billows of divine wrath, that went over Him! (From The Marvelous Exchange - James Smith)