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Hey Hobie,
I just read that first verse reference you gave and now I can say that you have pointed out to me the first real contradiction in the bible!

All that the father giveth me shall come to me;
and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:37

Or, the people God is talking about in the Matthew passage never really had been given to Him.
You want to stick with your interpretation and maybe some time in the future when you lose heart or have a really bad day lose your salvation?
Wow man! You are really strong!
I am weak.

 

With the damnation of all, or trust in Christ.

John 3:18

 

Well Hobie, you give some good scriptures here but I might say that these that had the form never had the substance.
And please pardon me for being so sarcastic earlier. I know you are trying to do a good work. We all need to watch it!

 

You have conflated two distinct issues.

1. “many claim they believe, but only give lip service”
   
   • Yes, you are correct.
   • And He answered and said to them, "Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? "For God said, 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,' and, 'HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH.' "But you say, 'Whoever says to [his] father or mother, "Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God," he is not to honor his father or his mother.' And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. "You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you: 'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME. 'BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'" - [Matthew 15:3-9 NASB]
     
   • “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’ - [Matthew 7:21-23]
2. “and secretly continue in sin.”
   • ALL of the Saints continue in sin.
   • This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us. - [1 John 1:5-10 NASB]

 

Don't just stop at ministers and religious leaders.

 

I stopped sinning the moment I was saved.
The disposition of my soul is now holy and perfected in the Lord.

The life I now live is not my flesh, I am my newborn human spirit and because it is born of God I can not sin.


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

When does a Christian stop sinning?

When they want to. You can be sinless though and this does not SAVE YOU.


1 Corinthians 4

3But to me it is a very small thing that I may be examined by you, or by any human court; in fact, I do not even examine myself. 4For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted; but the one who examines me is the Lord. 5Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men’s hearts; and then each man’s praise will come to him from God.

Paul says far as he knows he has a clean slate and that does not save him. ->"I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted;"


Not sinning is not impressive....its just plain NORMAL.

Luke 17

7“Which of you, having a slave plowing or tending sheep, will say to him when he has come in from the field, ‘Come immediately and sit down to eat’? 8“But will he not say to him, ‘Prepare something for me to eat, and properly clothe yourself and serve me while I eat and drink; and afterward you may eat and drink’? 9“He does not thank the slave because he did the things which were commanded, does he? 10“So you too, when you do all the things which are commanded you, say, ‘We are unworthy slaves; we have done only that which we ought to have done.’”



It is not IMPOSSIBLE to stop sinning. To think it is, is a sin against God. You are telling God that you are a bigger problem than he can handle. That you are greater at being a failure student then God is at being a great teacher.

Deuteronomy 30

11“For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach. 12“It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’ 13“Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’ 14“But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.


The YOLK IS EASY.

Matthew 11

28“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29“Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. 30“For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

God always gives you a way out.

1 Corinthians 10

13No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.


Not sinning is the easiest thing to do. When you DO sin.......its because YOU WANTED TO.

Not because God gave you a broken brain, a second rate heart, Not because God gave you a flawed nature. Those are just excuses to BLAME GOD.

I had every PERFECT opportunity to easily avoid every single sin I committed in my life. NO EXCUSES. I must repent, take responsibility and ask forgiveness IT WAS ALL my FAULT.

There is a middle ground you must accept God's forgiveness and forgive yourself and you must never give up and believe God can help you overcome your sinful habits. The more you can forgive others your trespasses the more God will open the door for you to forgive yourself.

Matthew 6

14“For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15“But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.


LOVE, Kindness and Compassion are the highest priority.

When God sees you sin its like you are already suffering on fire. A good parent does not want to see you suffering.

A good parent is not upset when you are on fire because you are ruining the carpet and curtains, A good parent loves you, you are their priority. God loves you that is why he cannot stand sin.

1 timothy 1
5But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

 

Its by the power of of God anything happens at all from breathing to sneezing.

Tell me this verse is a LIE and I'll believe you. You tell me what is wrong with this verse, Or you tell me what it actually means.

Deuteronomy 30

11“For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach. 12“It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’ 13“Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’ 14“But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.

 

Judas may or may not have been an exception:

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:12

So how about another example of one who came to Him whom He cast out?

 

Just one more example?
I mean from the Bible, not just me.