Featured What about the doctrine of Original Sin?

Probably.
Why couldn't Original Sin and Prevenient Grace (ala Wesleyanism) be compatible.

 

Based on your response to my attempt to answer, I think you need to clarify what you are asking in Question #2.

 

So as long as we are in "cult generation mode" ... let us start with "because of Adam's Original Sin, all human beings are born in Total Depravity and construct a series of NON-CALVINIST sotieriologies that each deny one of the letters in TULIP.

• (No-Total inability): Although man is born totally unable to save himself, Christ promised that if he was lifted up (and He was) then He would draw all men to himself. Therefore the Holy Spirit will draw each and every person, without exception, to God. For most that will involve hearing the Gospel and for others it will involve a Romans 1 revelation from the universe itself that God exists and deserves the honor due Him as God. At this moment, the Curse is lifted and man is restored to the same freedom that Adam had to choose to accept or reject the salvation offer of God.

• (No-Unconditional election): Man is born totally incapable of choosing God. However an OMNISCIENT God has looked through the mists of all possibilities and seen which people would have chosen God if they were not burdened by original sin.. These people, and only these people were pre-chosen by God to be drawn to the cross and saved by the power of the Holy Spirit overcoming their fallen nature.

• (No-Limited atonement): Adam sinned and brought the curse of Total Inability upon all men as the "Federal Head" of the human race. Christ promised that if he was lifted up (and He was) then He would draw all men to himself. Jesus was literally the "second Adam" and the new "Federal Head" for the entire human race, therefore by his death, the penalty was paid and the Adamic Curse was broken. We are not born saved, but neutral - like Adam - with only our personal sins condemning us and the Free Will to choose to accept or reject God's offer.

• (No-Irresistible grace): Men are born under the curse of original sin and completely incapable of choosing God on their own. However the Word of God is a living thing, more powerful than a sword and able to accomplish what God sent it out to do. It is thus in the HEARING OF THE WORD that one is freed from the power of the curse and given ears to hear ... that one may choose what sort of soil your heart will be for the Word of God to grow in. Grace is a gift, but it is a gift left outside your door with Jesus knocking on that door. The Word has unlocked the door, but only you can open it.

• (No-Preservation of the saints): Man is incapable of saving himself. God justifies whom He chooses, removing the curse of original sin. The saints are not robots, but free agents that must willingly participate in progressive sanctification. God qualifies you for the race, but only those that finish the race will get the prize. God will never stop encouraging, but many will choose to quit along the way.

All of these begin with "Adam, Original Sin, Federal Headship and Total Depravity" and end by rejecting something of Calvinism (TULIP). I leave it to you to decide if they are internally logical. (some are definitely not scriptural, but that was not one of your criteria.)

 

Seems to be 3 basic viewpoints in regards to this issue:

1. We are not affected by Fall of Adam, so we still basically have free will intact to freely decided or reject Jesus as Lord
2. While all now affected by the fall, God sends to all of us saving grace, and still have enough free will to decide to accept or reject getting saved
3. All of us died spiritually in Adam, and unable to accept salvation by ourselves if even offered towards hence, hence we need to have Grace given to us for the purpose of saving us now as the chosen and elect of God

 

I agree. It is a variation on "yes, but".
If you think of "Original Sin" as an anchor, then the story begins:

Adam was thrown in the ocean with an ANCHOR chained to his ankle ...

1. yes, but we don't have an ANCHOR around our ankle.
2. yes, but our ANCHOR was cut off.
3. yes, but God pulled us up ANCHOR and all!

 

I would modify point 2 as God gave to all of us bolt cutters to use, but up to us to decide to use them!

 

"Oringinal Sin" is simply that one event which gave all mankind a sinful nature.

Genesis 2:9, "And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."

Genesis 2:16-17, "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Genesis 3:22, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: . . ."

The sinful nature is from knowing evil. Its oringin being God's knowlege. Where is this fact discussed and understood as to how this caused our sinful nature.

 

Yes. But the actions of another does not cause others to have the same type of adtions.

Not an assumption. Genesis 3:11, ". . . Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?"

 

In regards to Genesis 3:11, we do not agree. The change is stated in Genesis 3:22, ". . . the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: . . ." This seems cut and dry to me.

 

Adam could have not only remained sinless, but made every other living being 10x greater.............AND he would still FALL SHORT of the GLORY OF GOD.

Everyone and everything will ALWAYS FALL SHORT of the glory of God. MAN however, first standard example is Jesus Christ.

According to Jesus being SINLESS is peace of cake and you don't even earn God's thanks for it. Its basic human.

Luke 17

7“Suppose one of you has a servant plowing or looking after the sheep. Will he say to the servant when he comes in from the field, ‘Come along now and sit down to eat’? 8Won’t he rather say, ‘Prepare my supper, get yourself ready and wait on me while I eat and drink; after that you may eat and drink’? 9Will he thank the servant because he did what he was told to do? 10So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’ ”