Disagreements on God.

In the Bible, not the "creeds", this is what God the Father says to Jesus Christ:

"10 And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment; 12 Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail.” (Hebrews 1)

This is the Father saying that Jesus Christ is the actual Creator. These words are from Psalm 102:25-27, where they are used of Elohim:

"Of old you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you will remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will change them like a robe, and they will pass away, but you are the same, and your years have no end."

Revelation 3:14 Jesus says of Himself, "“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation"

Here the Greek ἀρχὴ, means, "that by which anything begins to be, the origin, active cause". Which means that Jesus Christ Himself, is THE "origin, active cause" of the whole Creation.

Colossians 1:16 says, "For in Him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through Him and for Him"

"ἐν αὐτῷ" (in Him) denotes that Jesus Christ is the SOURCE of all Creation

Genesis 1:1 says, "In the beginning Elohim (masculine, plural, as in the US, OUR, of verse 26) created the heavens and the earth"

There you have it, Jesus Christ IS the ACTUAL CREATOR, and not just some "agent"!

 

and God the Father says to Jesus Christ in Hebrews 1:8, "Ὁ θρόνος σου ὁ Θεὸς εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος", that is, "Your Throne, O God, is for ever and ever". The Father addresses Jesus Christ as THE GOD, note the Greek article, "ὁ Θεὸς"

 

you simple don't grasp the Holy Trinity.

 

The Father is YHWH. Jesus Christ is YHWH. The Holy Spirit is YHWH. Not three Gods, but Three distinct Persons in One Godhead which is the Holy Trinity.

 

The Father is the only true God. But the Son is also God. Just as you are human because your father is human. And so is the Holy Spirit because he proceeds from both the Father and the Son who are God.

This involves the eternal generation by the Father, of the Son, from whom both, the Holy Spirit proceeds. This being without beginning or end is a static condition where all three are One God eternally manifested, without beginning or end, in three hypostases (persons = a close equivalent.

 

Subordination heresy!

 

so in your theology Jesus Christ is not Almighty God, but a demi-god?

 

what about the Holy Spirit?

 

so Jesus Christ is a secondary god? we might as well accept the JW's translation of John 1:1, "and the Logos was a god"!

 

I know the other 17 times cannot mean the Son is someone other than God. Jesus is God: totally and fully. Beyond the distinctions made within the Godhead (three persons: God the Father; God the Son; God Holy Spirit: one God). there is absolutely no “sense” in which Jesus is not God.

Thanks for answering the question directly; I’m glad you are not a Jehovah Witness.

The name “Jehovah” is an error in translation of the name of God from the OT: YHWH

Hebrew is originally only consonants. About the 3rd century, Jewish scholars devised a vowel “point” system, to help pronunciation.

Since the name of God (YHWH) was only to be spoken once a year by the High Priest, they used the vowels for the title “Lord” (Adonai) around the name YHWH as a reminder to lay folks reading the scroll not to pronounce YHWH, but Adonai instead.

The vowels “a”, “o” were added to YHWH, to mis-translate the name of God as “Jehovah”.

peace to you

 

" I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." ( John 5:30 ).

" For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me." ( John 6:38 ).