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Featured God's Inspiration of the Bible

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by rlvaughn, Apr 14, 2021.

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    OK thanks for your time. Blessings
     
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    Its the very words of God penned down to us by Humans!
     
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    That viewpoint would be the same as has been held by vast majority of conservative scholarship in Church history!
     
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    We do understand the Greek Grammar well enough to know that God did not turn the Apostles into robots, or into going into trance writers as in the Occult!
     
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    Its describing to us where scriptures came from, the Who, but not as to the How!
     
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    No, John is saying that should consult also more modern sources for further insights!
     
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    All of the Greek is saying to us is that all scriptures came to us from God directly, but does NOT state was dictated to us mechanically!
     
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    In my years of study in the Greek text I have learned from experience that the older scholars are more reliable than Wallace etc
     
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    If you want to disagree with 2 Timothy 3.16 as being in the passive. There is no doubt that it is in the passage in 2 Peter. How do you explain this
     
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    Both older and newer sources should be consulted though!
     
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    One does not need to hold to mechanical dictation to see all scriptures inspired to us by God!
     
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    We are going around in circles because you fail to see the force of the passive in the verse in 2 Peter. This makes Inspiration dictated by the Holy Spirit. If you think that this is wrong then show how
     
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    He made sure all that was recorded down was accurate, but did not put them into trances to write for God!
     
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    The words “under the control”, or as other translations have it, “moved”, etc, come from the Greek, “φερόμενοι”, which is a present passive participle, which is from the verb φέρω. A good example of this verb in the passive voice, can be found in Acts 27:15 and 17, “And when the ship was caught and could not face the wind, we gave way to it and were driven along (ἐφερόμεθα)… After hoisting it up, they used supports to undergird the ship. Then, fearing that they would run aground on the Syrtis, they lowered the gear, and thus they were driven along (ἐφέροντο)” In both cases the ship was “driven” by the wind. Likewise, the Writers of the Books of the Holy Bible, were “passive” in what they wrote, as they were “dictated” to by the Holy Spirit. Because the Words that they wrote, “came from God” (ἀπὸ θεοῦ)., with God being the “source” of what they wrote. They were "compelled" to write what they did. Like the ship, the Writers of the Holy Bible, simply "went along" with what the Holy Spirit told them to write. Exactly as John Trapp, in his commentary on 2 Peter 1:21, says, “As they were moved] φερομενοι. Forcibly moved, acted, carried out of themselves to say and do what God would have them

    This is pure dictation! Now show otherwise. Forget theology, it is what the Bible actually teaches that is important
     
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    The Holy Spirit moved upon and worked thru them to have recorded down exactly what he wanted, but they still wrote it in their own unique ways style and view! IF mechanical dictation, why not exact agreement among the 4 Gospel accounts then?
     
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    Thanks for sharing those thoughts. I am going to start a separate thread focusing specifically on dictation, since that was somewhat peripheral to what I thought was the focus of Bauder.
     
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    I have created a second thread more specific to just the idea of dictation of Scripture.
    Scripture dictation, mechanical or otherwise

    One thing that intrigued me in Bauder’s articles I linked was his comment, “The word inspired is a result word, not a process word.” If I understand correctly, he is saying he believes “inspiration” does not cover the process that led to the result, but only refers to the result.
     
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