Featured Continued from dead tulip

It is. Unfortunately it is miss characterized by those both for and against.

Do you or do you not understand the two deaths of Christ on the cross? Each has it's purpose.

 

You haven’t….who wrote the book on Lordship Salvation?

 

That’s not what their Reformed Pastors tell them… so are Presbyterian and Dutch Reformed Christians not biblical?

 

When it comes to Baptism? No, they are not.

 

Coming from a Baptist

 

Coming from Scripture.

 

Ahh, the very Lordship Salvation rears it’s ugly head. Ya made my point!

 

So then, they are not saved right!

 

Did I say they were not saved? No. Did I say they are not living in obedience by not getting baptized? Yes. Do I think they are intentionally disobedient? No.

So no, that did not prove your point at all.

 

But do you distinguish regeneration from conversion?

 

Lordship Salvation, nor his book on it, claims non-Cals are not saved. Lordship Salvation is equally compatible with Calvinism or Arminianism.

 

Yes, the fundamental Christian church does not put a Baptistic ceremony before salvation. My own church would insist on their being dunked as a prerequisite to joining and taking communion but would not prohibit them from going there and learning from them…and I hope they do, but we do not prohibit them in the hope they will learn. I fervently believe that Baptist churches of old operated that way….ie they probably are regenerated but not yet converted so we teach them scripture, we teach proper obedience, etc in order to make them better Christian’s. And isn’t that the primary job of the Baptist church?

 

Lordship Salvation teaches only “one” salvation popularized by MacArthur, Piper, Sproul, Mohler…as a kind of classical reformed theology. Mac published a book titled “The Gospel According To Jesus” so have you read it? I did and what I came away with is Macs assertion that an individual who fails to live in submission to the Lordship of Christ demonstrates that he was never truly born again…that they are not really saved. This assertion neglects to make a distinction between “Sonship” and “Discipleship”

 

Yes. Only the 'heavenly born' can be 'saved' into the kingdom.

 

How is that any different than what I have said? It's not. Our church does require members to have had beleiver's baptism, but we don't require that of people who attend or take communion. My point was that Scripture says repentance comes before baptism. So no, infant baptism is not in any way, shape, or form a valid baptism.

 

Exactly. It is no different than someone not exhibiting fruits of the spirit. It comes with your conversion. The true believers will always fall under the Lordship of Christ.

 

Yes you are. What you mean is, that He came into a fallen environment, not that our sins were charged to Him.

 

Featured threads. Is the owner of the BB even a Baptist?

 

I understand