Featured Pelagianism

What can we do to add to the finished work of Lord Jesus, was salvation accomplished in full or not then?

 

You mean pauline Justification is false?

 

Semi Pel been the de facto view of the Sotierology of the bible since Billy Graham era in America Christianity!

 

Austin you claim to be the scripture purist so why do you add your own view when your commenting on a text? You claim that man has to be given faith so I checked for that in Romans 3. This is what I found.
through faith vs 22, through faith vs 25, justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. vs 26, by the law of faith. vs 27, justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law vs 28, justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith vs 30, through faith vs 31.
Well I figured that you must have some justification for that claim so I did a search for "faith + gift, or "faith + given" in the NT and did not see where faith has to be given to someone. So it would seem that you are bring your view into the text.
So it would seem you should have just written. In Romans 3 Paul lays out the fact that both Jew and Gentile are only justified before God because of the faith they have in Christ Jesus alone. And have left out (been given).

 

Where did that faith come from, Silverhair, when the text says "through faith?"

 

Through hearing and trusting the gospel message. You know like the bible says.
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

 

Well the Bible says that God quickens, the person hears Jesus speak, and save, then they trust. So this verse certainly shows us that it is from God alone and not of yourself.

I am always surprised that you cannot see faith being from God, but instead argue that it comes from your own self.

 

I am always surprised that you fail to actually read and understand the text. You twist scripture to fit your theology rather that just trust what the bible says. The fact you have to add to the clear text just shows you do not have a leg to stand on. How complicated can it be HEAR, BELIEVE, SAVED. Even you should be able to understand that.

 

NO! IT"S NOT! There's absolutely ZERO content in Paul's writing espousing 'justification by faith alone'. Programmed robots like you try to force it, but it ain't there. You're unable to produce one, just one teeny tiny itsy bitsy passage from scripture that supports your CALVINIST TEACHING of "justification by faith alone", and then you've the gall to try make it something wrong for me to "quote the Bible".

Man, you're a trip. I know you're a legend and a sage in your own mind with your preachy sanctimonious lectures void of scripture, but a Biblicist you are not.

Is that why you hold to it, because everybody else does? You confirm to be the conformist that you are. Has to be it, because there's certainly ZERO scripture to support it. And you're wrong, not 'all Reformed' folks hold to 'justification by faith alone'.

Yep, my prerogative, I exercise my Right to Private Judgement as espoused by the Calvinist, Charles Hodge:

"The Bible is a plain book. It is intelligible by the people. And they have the right and are bound to read and interpret it for themselves; so that their faith may rest on the testimony of the Scriptures, and not on that of the Church. Such is the doctrine of Protestants on this subject...."

I challenge you to provide proof, citations, of Roman Catholic teaching in agreement with me on post #36, or any myriad of other posts of mine.

Instead of just blithering your smears, put up or shut up.

 

@AustinC

I challenge you to provide proof, citations, of Roman Catholic teaching in agreement with me on post #36, or any myriad of other posts of mine.

Instead of just blithering your smears, put up or shut up.

 

It looks to me like AustinC defines Pelagian teachings based on the assumption that The Fall of man was not imputed to his posterity.

That makes Pelagian thought Perfectly opposite of Calvinism, in a more pointed, specific way than Arminian teaching, which also is human- exalting and denies the sin of Adam.

This makes AustinC's labelling perfectly accurate.

If it is insulting, it is Insulting to God to deny the sin of Adam.

No one who a never- Calvanist on the BB has any trouble attempting to make that lable into as insulting a persecution as they have power to do.

The issue regarding Salvation IS The Adamic Nature.

Either human beings have some ability to assist God in the Performance of their "Salvation", or they do not.

It looks to me that AustinC is perfectly accurate in pointing out that; To the Degree an individual has a testimony that Man Helps God, then that is the Degree to which they are Palagian.

That signals to that person the Degree to which They Need to Repent.

Otherwise they are teaching false doctrine which leads hellbound souls into hell.

What's wrong with pointing that out?

Being Sound in The Faith Once Delivered to The Saints, Contending for the Faith, and being A GIANT in The Faith are simply a man of God's job.

 

Does the RCC teach justification by faith plus works?

Do you teach justification by faith plus works?

We can talk after you answer these two questions.

 

Many today would affirm that we were marred and harmed in the fall, bust were not made totally depraved, as still retain enough free will to save ourselves!

 

maybe due to the truth that Pelagianism has been defined as being heresy by the historical Church, as have other heresy such as Modualism and Oneness?

 

Some would seem to also affirm that mankind is basically born with a blank slate, and that are still innocent until we actively choose to sin! Not born with a sin nature, but change to one later on

 

We do not call them holding to heresy who just deny Calvinism, but to actually embrace Pelaguise theology is heresy!

 

Doctrines that have been defined historically as being heresy need to be called out and addressed!

 

Indeed, as affirming that we are not born with sin natures, which is a contradiction of the scriptures

 

he is just saying that your understanding of what salvation is as per James agrees with RC, but not Baptists!