Featured Pelagianism

This false claim from someone who does not even define his terms.

 

I can only speak for myself. I have claimed your view as a form of Pelagianism in that you make infants and children innocent of sin until an imaginary "age of accountability" which you are admittedly pulling from Jewish tradition, not scripture. You absolve children until this seeming age of enlightenment when they realize they are willfully sinning. Of course this moment is entirely subjective to each individual. But, this "age of accountability" also means that humans are not born sinners, but are activated sinners at that age of accountability. Until then, saving grace is not necessary since there is, in your theory, no accountable sin for which grace is required. For all intents and purposes the child is holy and righteous and perfect before God.

Such a view, I lable as a form of Pelagianism. Others might call it semi-pelagianism.

If that insults you, that is your feelings, not my intent. My intent is to organize your position into a category that is easier to manage.

 

IF any deny that we are born without sin natures, or that by ourselves we can accept the Lord Jesus, or deny that are spiritual dead in our sins, then they are affirming another gospel!

 

Either we are dead spiritual on our sins and transgressions, or we are still able to 'assist" God in saving us!

 

he understands that any who would deny the full effects of the Fall of Adam towards us are affirming some degree of it!

 

We are not going to get the correct teaching of How God Saves people from Mormonism or Islam, etc.

As long as the Pauline Tradition includes his teachings of;
Do you know if they skip these and go straight to Regeneration, "by desire".

Ephesians 2:1 - And you were dead in your trespasses and sins

Colossians 2:13; And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Ephesians 2:5
made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved!

Romans 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

and David and John:

Psalm 119:50
This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me.

John 5:21
For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

 

As for children who are aborted or die in infancy-David, who was also a prophet, said, in 2 Samuel 12:
22 And he said, “While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who can tell whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’ 23 But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.”

 

This is the faith we hold in the grace of God saving someone who has never repented, yet God chooses to save them. Though they are born in sin, yet God chooses mercy and grace. David perfectly expresses this faith in God's mercy.

 

Pelagian was wrong. The problem is not merely he was wrong, but not just why, but how? None of the so called church Fathers, nor as far as I know, any systematic theology, correctly addresses the real cause of mankind's sinful nature do to Adam's sin.

 

Those who affirm pel are holding to a false Gospel, and I have NEVER stated semi pel or arminians are that!

 

If when you say one denies original Sin to the extent that we are not born with a sin nature and are spiritual dead, then yes that would be against what the bible teaches!

 

Infants are born in the image of Adam, as sinners, but thank God for his grace towards them!

 

What theology of mine is anywhere close to lds, as I deny every tenet that church affirms?