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Through (Dia) Faith

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Jul 30, 2022.

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    The phrase, found in at least 13 verses, is "through or by faith." "Through translates the Greek preposition "dia" and when used to show instrumentality, can be translated as "by way of" when "faith" is in the "genitive" case. The Greek preposition is used in the phrase to show instrumentality, something is achieved by means of faith or by way of faith.

    Romans 4 teaches God credits our faith as righteousness for our benefit. Thus the phrase indicates God uses the "faith" path in bestowing His blessing upon a person or people. Thus a less encrypted version of the verses using the phrase would read "by way of your credited faith."


    Interpretive translations - decryption version
    Romans 3:25
    God set forth Christ Jesus as the means of reconciliation by way of your credited faith in His blood, to demonstrate God's righteousness because God withheld the penalty for our previously committed sins.

    Here God uses the "faith path" to bestow reconciliation upon guilty sinners.

    Romans 3:30
    since indeed God who will justify the Jewish circumcised based on their credited faith and the Gentile uncircumcised by way of their credited faith is undivided and consistent.

    Here God uses the "faith path" to bestow justification upon Jews and Gentiles alike.

    Romans 3:31
    Then are we nullifying the Law by way of your credited faith? May it never be! Rather, we are sustaining the Law.

    Here God uses the "faith path" to sustain the Law.

    2 Corinthians 5:7
    for we live and walk according to the way of our credited faith, not by sight.

    Here I think our subsequent faithful walk with Christ following our rebirth is in view.

    Galatians 3:14
    in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit by way of our credited faith.

    Here God uses the "faith path" to bestow the promised Spirit.

    Galatians 3:26
    For you are all children of God by way of your credited faith in Christ Jesus.

    Here God uses the "faith path" to cause believers to be spiritually born anew.

    Ephesians 2:8
    For by grace you have been saved by way of your credited faith; and this salvation is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

    Here God uses the "faith path" to select and save some of the lost and fallen according to His Redemption plan.

    Ephesians 3:17
    that Christ may dwell in your hearts by way of your credited faith so that, because you have been rooted and grounded in love,

    Here God uses the "faith path" to seal us within Christ with the Spirit of Christ, such that we are in Christ and Christ is in us.

    Colossians 2:12
    having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him by way of your credited faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

    2 Timothy 3:15
    and how from infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to give you wisdom that leads to salvation by way of your credited faith in Christ Jesus.

    Hebrews 6:12
    so that you may not be sluggish, but imitators of those who by way of their credited faith and perseverance inherit the promises.

    Hebrews 11:33
    By way of their approved faith they conquered kingdoms, administered justice, gained what was promised, shut the mouths of lions,

    1 Peter 1:5
    who by God's power are protected by way of their credited faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
     
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    Incorrect interpretive translations
     
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    Thomas Jefferson like interpretations.
    Forcing the passage into a pretext. The OP has no one who agrees with his position, yet he keeps pushing what no one except himself believes.
     
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    Taint so...
     
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    Does anyone reading these Falselogy advocates think they are not pushing their false interpretations? Here we have the fallacy of the "guilt by association" ploy, used by provocateurs.
     
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    Once again the false claim is made that "no one except [Van] believes"

    1) Salvation does does not depend on the person who wills or does things to be saved per Romans 9:16.
    2) God credits believers with righteous faith per Romans 4:4-5 and Romans 4:23-25.
    3) That believers obtain access to the grace in which we stand by faith per Romans 5:1-2
     
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    These 13 verses teach we obtain access to God's blessings by way of our preexisting faith that has been credited as righteous faith by God. The Falselogy advocates deny this obvious truth, taught by verse after verse of scripture.
     
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    Faith is given to us from God precisely because He chose us from before the world began. Faith is a gift that enables us to believe in Jesus atoning sacrifice as the means by which God sees us as holy. Thus it is the faith that God gave us, which credits us as righteous. It is not our personal faith which moves God to elect us and reward us with a stamp of approval as righteous. Such a position nullifies grace.
     
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    Once again we have a regurgitation of the falsehoods of Falselogy.

    Since we are chosen for salvation through or by way of our preexisting faith, we had faith which God credited as righteous faith before we were chosen. See 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    The lost are able to believe God exists and seek Him per Matthew 23:13, as they were in the process of entering the kingdom of heaven.

    It is our faith in response to God's revelation, if credited as righteous faith by God, which moves God to elect people. 2 Thessalonians 2:13, James 2:5

    After we have been placed within Christ's spiritual body, we are made righteous by the washing of regeneration, being made alive from a spiritually dead state. Titus 3:5, Ephesians 2:5

    Faith is according to grace, Romans 4:16.
     
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    The OP presents 13 verses which require our faith to be credited by God before receiving His blessings, including regeneration.

    When something is accomplished "through" something else, that means the something else (our faith in these cases) was utilized to facilitate the accomplishment. Pretty basic principle.
     
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    Not at all.
    What you wrote, after the above quote, is merely your re-writing of the Bible that many have utterly dismantled and you just keep trying to reconstruct your "falseology." Give it up, Van. No one holds your falseology.
     
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    No, the OP shows a rewriting Scripture.
     
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    And yet another example of van adding to Scripture.
     
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    LOL, the idiotic claim of posting valid arguments when none were posted.
    And note folks the claim of knowing the minds of all others, this tells you all you need to know.
     
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    Yet another false claim with no evidence. Every time you see "through faith" in these 13 verses, God's inspired word is teaching our faith was used to facilitate God's bestowal of blessings including being chosen for salvation.
     
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    Yet another post hurling false charges against my behavior, rather than addressing the topic. Anybody can make claims without evidence.
     
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    Since we are chosen for salvation through or by way of our preexisting faith, we had faith which God credited as righteous faith before we were chosen. See 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    The lost are able to believe God exists and seek Him per Matthew 23:13, as they were in the process of entering the kingdom of heaven.

    It is our faith in response to God's revelation, if credited as righteous faith by God, which moves God to elect people. 2 Thessalonians 2:13, James 2:5

    After we have been placed within Christ's spiritual body, we are made righteous by the washing of regeneration, being made alive from a spiritually dead state. Titus 3:5, Ephesians 2:5

    Faith is according to grace, Romans 4:16.

    Salvation does does not depend on the person who wills or does things to be saved per Romans 9:16.

    God credits believers with righteous faith per Romans 4:4-5 and Romans 4:23-25.

    That believers obtain access to the grace in which we stand by faith per Romans 5:1-2
     
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    so does the denial that you are rewriting Scripture
     
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    I did post evidence by bolding the part you added.
     
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    Since through faith requires that the existing faith is utilized in God's bestowal of His grace, to point this fact out is not rewriting scripture, it is presenting scripture rather than false doctrine.



     
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