Six die at Christian School in Nashville

I am stunned you would openly mock our Lord Jesus and His command to love one another.

It appears to me your political views have overwhelmed your knowledge of scripture and left you with a loveless, uncaring heart.

peace to you

 

Stop
No one is mocking God.
No one is not loving one another by speaking truth...a truth you have agreed with.

In this discussion, it seems you are struggling to reconcile the Sovereign right of God to act as He wills and declare that it is working for good to those who love God.
In my opinion, you need to wrestle with your understanding of God and His goodness, even when he ordains bad things will happen.

*Job 2:9-10*
Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast your integrity? Curse God and die.” But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women would speak. Shall we receive good from God, and shall we not receive evil?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips.

canadyjd, you have to work this out with God and stop trying to blame me for stating what is true.

 

As a brother in Christ, I am pointing out you come across as heartless and unloving.

If you want to puff out your chest and claim you are only telling the truth then you really just don’t get it. That is sad

peace to you

 

I understand you feel this way.

 

My post posed two questions, one with "What if..." and one without, but with neither addressed by the above quote, though that quote did include the mocking and dismissive "Hewett-Packard commercial" phrase.

 

Now the Nashville police say they will not release the ‘manifesto’. The shooter said the school was chosen due to their lack of defense. That is not acceptable for the public to see. We cannot discern facts. We need to be told what to think.

 

No, it is not a "but God allowed".

You posted it is not an either or, except you used the word "but", yourself.

But: used to introduce a phrase or clause contrasting with what has already been mentioned.

You contrasted your own point. That is an either or. You should have used the word "and".

And you really have no clue on why this event even happened. There was no post sent down from heaven on the matter as to the specifics of why it happened. All you are doing is reading the headlines and then putting that headline into your Scriptural context. Reminds me of Job's 3 "friends" who came to condemn him.

Did Job's 3 friends use Scripture to condemn Job?

Pretty sure the only thing we can know is:

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

Or you can use Scripture as a speculation device.


What confuses logic is that some point out that since God did not step in like a superhero, that instead means God Himself did the act.

Sorry, but not being a superhero does not then mean you are a super villain. That is the speculation of your logic, that God is both at the same time, and woe to them when God puts on His super villain mode.

That is how many interpret the book of Job. That would be their own private interpretation. And this interpretation contradicts other Scripture, that then is justified or changed to fit one's private interpretation.

Yes God planted the tree in the Garden. Yes God allowed Satan to interfere in the Garden. No, God did not force Adam to eat and disobey God. God was not the one who ate the fruit as an act of super villainy. Which you claim God is the one who did it, on the mere fact He did not stop Adam from eating it. God forced Adam to eat when God put on His super villain hat. According to you God did both: forced Adam to disobey, and never stepped in and prevented Adam from disobeying.

That is me putting your speculation into Scripture. Since you claim God acts in every case, then Adam and Eve is no exception to your own rule. I am just going by your point that God does that which is good and evil at the same time.

God does allow evil to happen, we have nearly 6,000 years of proof. That is not the point in question. Why do you think God is also the instigator of evil, and purposely does evil to make good out of evil?

That is not what the verse says:

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

Even though evil happens, God will be working to the good of those who love Him. One could also speculate that God limited evil, and it could have been worse. Job's children literally died. Not every child on earth died. But to say that God did it is just plain nonsense.

 

According to you they are not free to respond.

According to you it is God both agreeing with you and disagreeing with you at the same time.

See the paradigm conundrum?

You are the one changing the Sovereignty of God to justify failed human understanding that has to have a reason and answer for everything, as we do have that knowledge of good and evil, and need to reconcile why there is evil.

God knows everything. Humans are the clueless ones with limited knowledge even if that means we know evil. We certainly don't know everything.

 

God is Sovereign. Nothing happens without it being "the appointed time" (Read Daniel 11).
So, while God certainly allowed this tragedy to occur, it is also accurate to say that God directed this evil for a good purpose. Therein lies the mystery that God keeps to himself as the Sovereign King. He remains holy and just, while simultaneously using the wickedness of all mankind to fulfill his good purpose.
We have to live with this tension and acknowledge that we are finite beings who cannot comprehend the good purposes of God in using evil to accomplish His will.

 

Your first statement is false.
Within the confines of human enslavement to sin, a person is free to act. As a slave to sin, a human could never act outside of the confinement sin has placed upon the human. Therefore humans cannot freely choose God. God must choose to break a human out of enslavement to sin (see the enslaved Israelites in Egypt as the illustration) and in so doing, God makes us servants of God.

After that statement you go off and assert what I didn't assert and then attempt to create a conundrum, so, no I don't see what you're saying.

 

Sounds like those Christians agree with common sense. I agree 100% with that statement.

When I wakeup an OD patient with narcan, and he starts trying to fight everything in sight I absolutely love seeing that Sheriff's Deputy there with a 9mm with more firepower than the OD-ed patient.

Or, as you put it earlier in the thread, "A 9mm turns away wrath".

 

I agree that the government agent should have a gun and is ordained by God to have that weapon. Not for the weekend warrior who felt like storming the US Capitol building on January 6th.

 

I also agree, that's why as the Head Executive of the Family Government Sphere I have a gun on me quite often, being a government agent.

And boy, let me tell you, when we had a wanted felon who was armed and dangerous tramping around our tiny community out here in the boonies a few weeks back each and every one of the men in our community had their guns on their person and more loaded guns in the house while the 3 day manhunt was conducted. I sure was glad that God gave us firearms.

 

LOL, you're describing a vigilante activity in your hollow.

 

That post is a prime example of idiocy substituting for reason.

 

It was a woman pretending to be a man.

 

I trust God to give me wisdom when I need to shoot. How’s that?

 

We are NOT in the Great Tribulation.

 

Sure we are. We have been in the Tribulation since our King ascended into heaven. The unholy trinity of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet have been seeking to devour the children of God ever since Christ defeated them on the cross. The Revelation of Christ Jesus reveals the spiritual battle that has been raging since the Garden of Eden. It is a fascinating revelation that gives us great encouragement to persevere in this time of tribulation.
Now, has the last and final winepress of God's wrath come yet? No, but it could come at anytime. When it comes, one will be left to enter the kingdom and the other will be taken to eternal destruction.

 

Sheriff ordered Vigilante activity? Hahaha

That's like a white black cat