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Romans 5:12:
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned-- (NASB)

Romans 5:19
For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.


Every translation I have found translates these in a similar way, ending with "because all sinned" indicating all humans sinned. However, another verse (Romans 9:11) indicates that babies in the womb have done nothing good or bad. However, abortion has murdered millions of these who had not done anything bad and therefore were not ever guilty of either a sin of commission or a sin of omission.

So what does God's inspired word mean when we are said to be made sinners and all sinned?

Two answers have been postulated, they had sinned because they were "guilty" of Adam's sin. However, this seems to violate the teaching that God does not punish the son for the sins of the father. The other, as a consequence of Adam's sin, all humans are "made sinners" and thus the correct understanding of Romans 5:12 is all are in a sinful separated from God state. However, that is not what the verse seems to say. Rather it clearly says we seem to have done something amiss.

Does anyone have an answer to this difficulty?

A solution to this dilemma is to consider that "sin" refers to both of its aspects, the action or thought or omission
and the consequence God imposes for the miss. Thus if "we have sinned means we have been made forfeiters of togetherness with God, then we can say "because all have forfeited.

This eliminates the difficulty, but is it sound interpretation?

 

Once again, what do you mean by we sinned. Did we do something good or bad while in the womb? Not what scripture says.

 

What do you mean by "sin entered all humanity?" They certainly were "made sinners." But what does that mean? They forfeited fellowship with God, suffering the consequence of Adam's sin, and thus were conceived in iniquity. And what does Christ offer? Reconciliation, being brought back into fellowship with God.

Not really a difficult concept.

 

This is specifically addressed in the OP, i.e. because all forfeited.

 

Unbiblical nonsense. Sin refers both to the act and to the consequence.

 

Once again we see posts claim my solution is wrong, but not saying what the correct solution is.

Did God punish the children for the sin of the father?

Did babies before they had done anything good or bad actually commit a sin?

I expect crickets.

 

The consequence of Adam's sin is that humanity forfeited fellowship with God. So we were not punished for the sin of the father, but the consequence of Adam's sin was imposed upon humanity.

 

As I indicated in post #10, no solution to the dilemma is offered.

 

As I indicated in post #10, no solution to the dilemma is offered.

Just repeated denials of the obvious, if sin has no consequence, it is of no consequence.

The wages of sin is death.

Your iniquity has caused a separation.

 

If sin has no consequence, it is of no consequence.

The wages of sin is death.

Your iniquity has caused a separation.

Sounds like all of humanity forfeited fellowship with God as a consequence of Adam's sin.

This is not a difficult concept.

 

Loss of fellowship can be said to be forfeiture of fellowship, thus sin has consequences including forfeiting fellowship.

 

Loss of fellowship with God, i.e. forfeiture, is a well accepted consequence of sin.

 

Mark 8:36
For what benefit is it for a person to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his life?

The consequence God imposes for sin is a loss of fellowship with God, thus all who were "made sinner" have forfeited fellowship with God.

If we are together with Christ we are made alive, and if we are separated from God we are dead in our sin.

Thus if "we have sinned" means we have been made forfeiters of togetherness with God, then we can say "because all have forfeited meaning all have suffered the consequence of Adam's sin.

This is not a difficult concept to grasp.