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Featured All of the Conditions for the Salvation of God's Elect Were Fulfilled By Christ

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by KenH, Sep 30, 2024.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Via Scott Price's(Pastor of Gospel of Grace Ministries) Facebook page.


    Very common to see ads pop up in my newsfeed on FB. Below is a local church 15 minutes away teaching the complete opposite of what Gospel of Grace Ministries does. The vast majority of churches are 100% in agreement with the beliefs in the picture below. What I've been getting used to is the amount of people who claim to believe the doctrines of grace being okay with the statements below, like it doesn't make a bit of difference one way or the other.

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    Thats error to say Christs Death made forgiveness of sins merely possible, for them He died for, because they actually have forgiveness of sins through His Blood shed for them Matt 26 28

    28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission/forgiveness of sins.

    Eph 1:7


    In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    All was fulfilled by Christ, so its all to them by Grace
     
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    I agree. The angel said to Joseph:

    “"And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins."” (Mt 1:21 NKJV)

    Not, "for He will make salvation possible for His people." No, He will save them!
     
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    Hello Brightfame52, check to see if maybe 1 John 2:2 fell out of your Bible.

    "And he is the propitiation/satisfaction for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

    Sounds like He made salvation possible of everyone!
     
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    False, nothing is stated about Christ making salvation possible for everyone, thats part of your bible of your imagination.
     
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    Yep, I see you haven't changed.
     
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    "But also for the sins of the whole world." - 1 John 2:2

    That is, not for the Jews only, for John was a Jew, and so were those he wrote unto, but for the Gentiles also. Nothing is more common in Jewish writings than to call the Gentiles עלמא, "the world"; and העולם כל, "the whole world"; and העולם אומות, "the nations of the world"; and the word "world" is so used in Scripture.
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    This phrase, "all the world", or "the whole world", in Scripture, unless when it signifies the whole universe, or the habitable earth, is always used in a limited sense, either for the Roman empire, or the churches of Christ in the world, or believers, or the present inhabitants of the world, or a part of them only, Luke 2:1; and so it is in this epistle, 1 John 5:19; where the whole world lying in wickedness is manifestly distinguished from the saints, who are of God, and belong not to the world; and therefore cannot be understood of all the individuals in the world; and the like distinction is in this text itself, for "the sins of the whole world" are opposed to "our sins", the sins of the apostle and others to whom he joins himself; who therefore belonged not to, nor were a part of the whole world, for whose sins Christ is a propitiation as for theirs: so that this passage cannot furnish out any argument for universal redemption; for besides these things, it may be further observed, that for whose sins Christ is a propitiation, their sins are atoned for and pardoned, and their persons justified from all sin, and so shall certainly be glorified, which is not true of the whole world, and every man and woman in it; moreover, Christ is a propitiation through faith in his blood, the benefit of his propitiatory sacrifice is only received and enjoyed through faith; so that in the event it appears that Christ is a propitiation only for believers, a character which does not agree with all mankind; add to this, that for whom Christ is a propitiation he is also an advocate, 1 John 2:1; but he is not an advocate for every individual person in the world; yea, there is a world he will not pray for John 17:9, and consequently is not a propitiation for them. Once more, the design of the apostle in these words is to comfort his "little children" with the advocacy and propitiatory sacrifice of Christ, who might fall into sin through weakness and inadvertency; but what comfort would it yield to a distressed mind, to be told that Christ was a propitiation not only for the sins of the apostles and other saints, but for the sins of every individual in the world, even of these that are in hell? Would it not be natural for persons in such circumstances to argue rather against, than for themselves, and conclude that seeing persons might be damned notwithstanding the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ, that this might, and would be their case."

    - excerpt from John Gill's Bible commentary on 1 John 2:2

    (emphasis mine)
     
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    Here is a much better understanding of Christ being the satisfaction of the whole world.

    What is propitiation? | GotQuestions.org
     
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    Propitiation is Salvation, reconciliation and peace with God, forgiveness
     
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    It's salvation if the conditions are met. "for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

    The "propitiation/satisfaction/appeasement" is there waiting in what Christ has done.

    But again, that "propitiation" provided by Christ is worthless to one who refuses to meet the conditions of salvation.
     
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    "What is this word, "propitiation"? Now, here's what it is. It has to do with a sin-bearing sacrifice, substitute, who brings satisfaction to God's law and justice, that, now listen to this part, that ensures salvation and acceptance and blessings and eternal life from God." - Pastor Bill Parker in part 1 of his recent three part series of 28.5 minute videos from a weekly TV program of Eager Avenue Grace Church in Albany, Georgia, on the subject of propitiation.

    Propitiation - Part 1 (sermonaudio.com)

    Propitiation - 2 (sermonaudio.com)

    Propitiation - Part 3 (sermonaudio.com)
     
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    I didn't read the sermons, no need. You are leaving out the condition that must be met to receive salvation.

    Again, Christ provided for us the appeasement of sin to the Father, but we must meet His just requirements in repenting and believing.
     
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    Christ met ALL of the conditions for those whom the Father gave to Him to be their Surety. Man can add nothing to what Christ has accomplished on the behalf of God's elect. If man was to add something to what Christ has already accomplished and finished, then it would be polluted - "And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it." - Exodus 20:25
     
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    Christ met all the conditions to save, you dont believe that ?
     
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    Faith in Christ as the LORD our RIGHTEOUSNESS and repentance from dead works are gifts as the result of Christ's finished work and given to God's elect after the Holy Spirit has regenerated them.

    When Christ, on the cross, said, "It is finished", He meant it. To say that something has to be added as a condition before regeneration, such as faith or repentance from dead works or baptism or good works or anything else, is to deny what Christ said and attempt to make fallen man the ultimate finisher of his own salvation.
     
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    If this condition is not met, you will not enter into the Kingdom of God!

    Rom. 10:9-10
    "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
     
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    Post #16
     
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    All of God's elect will believe and repent of dead works, not as conditions they meet, but as a result of Christ having met ALL of the conditions of their salvation. Faith and repentance from dead works are gifts given to God's elect by Him. God's elect do nothing, absolutely nothing, to earn or merit salvation through or by something they accomplish.
     
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    So all what Christ did, met all saving conditions, hence all for whom He lived and died and rose again are saved. You dont believe that ?
     
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    Ok, you keep denying that YOU have to meet that condition, and see what happens in the end!
     
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