Christian Denominations that Don't Vote

But in the past two and a half years since Roe vs Wade has been overturned and the choice has belonged to each state abortions have increased.

Reality has proven your assumptions incorrect.

 

I also see this rapid decline in our nation. But I come to a different conclusion (I agree with your post with the exception of the last sentence...I think this is more reason for Christians to refuse to unite with a secular political party and instead "strengthen the things that remain"....be a holy people, united in standing in yet seperate from the World).

Our government is a representative of its people. We see a rapid decline in the morality of the political parties because of a rapid decline in our nation.

The only reason the GOP declined in terms of morals is the people it represents (social and economic conservatives) have declined in terms of its morals. Same with the DNC. It represents a people who have declined.

But you and I view these parties differently also. Where you at least seen to view the GOP as good and the DNC as evil, I view the GOP and DNC as equally evil with different political agendas (each striving for political power). I see both parties as not representing Christ but representing different segments of the World.


Given that the GOP policies on abortion has failed to have any impact on the number of abortions occurring in our nation, I can not think of a moral reason to entertain supporting the GOP any longer.

Since both parties represent the "kingdoms of the world", I have to follow my conscious and abstain from participating in those powers.

I applaud what you hope to accomplish. I simply think your choice about how to accomplish it is wrong.


The GOP policy resulted in no change in the number of abortions. Overturning Roe vs Wade had no effect in the number of abortions. In fact, abortions increased.

But if we actually worked to stop abortions by witnessing and caring for those seeking abortions to change their heart we could have decreased the number of abortions. If each church reached only one person seeking an abortion that would be over 300,000 babies saved.

As Christians we can make the difference thar through politics we cannot.

 

Moral equivalence depends on the moral standard chosen to measure morality.

The GOP and DNC are equally evil, but the acts of each are not equally immoral.

For example, murdering a grown man innocent of the crime he committed is no less evil than murdering a child (although we may be more empathetic to the latter, the former was the evil Peter attributed to the Jews who called for Jesus' crucifixion).

You are right that this is what the World is - depraved people holding different moral standards, enemies of God. But the reason has to do with the powers instead of the people (like Christians are "of Christ" the political powers are of "the kingdoms of the world").


I never said that people who support a platform that is pro-choice does not also do things that are pro-life.

There are many pro-life Democrats. The DFLA is a pro-life (anti-abortion) Democrat organization.

BUT even though they are pro-life their political support is also pro-choice, just like yours.


As a Christian you rightly find supporting aspects of the Trump agenda offensive. Don't blame me for pointing that out.


There is no difference between the pro-life Democrats supporting Harris and the pro-life Republicans supporting Trump. Neither are able to slow abortion rates, and both "hold their nose" or wear blinders to the things they are actively supporting in order to get political things they want.

 

This is false. In Ohio abortion may have been "on the way out" of Ohio law. That part is true.

BUT abortion itself was not. IF Ohio banned abortions this would not decrease abortions. It would only end legalized abortions being performed within the state.

A young woman could easily fly, free of cost, and have an abortion performed free of charge in another state. Or drive across the state line. Or have a clinic in New York mail her pills. Or have an illegal abortion.

Abortions in Ohio have increased. An interesting part is that out of state abortions for Ohio residents also substantially increased.

Nothing the GOP has done has slowed abortions.

The problem is that the GOP (and DNC) are powers of the World ("forces of darkness"). Both represent the interest of the World.

The GOP cannot afford to loose the homosexual conservatives and the pro-choice conservatives. They won't loose the Christian conservatives because too many are more political than religious and will vote to oppose the DNC (who wears evil as a badge of pride).

 

Here is a little fairy tale I like:

There was a small lamb living among its flock under a shepherd who cared for and guarded the animals. This lamb heard that there were wolves in a neighboring field and, out of curiosity, snuck away for a peek. Looking through the brush boarding the field, sure enough, the lamb saw a very large pack of wolves. The lamb watched as these wolves devoured a large goat. Terrified the little lamb ran towards his own field, but in the process got lost and ended up in a large opening.

In this area the lamb saw other sheep, sheep he did not know. The lamb noticed that they shared many of his characteristics but were a bit different. Eager to investigate the lamb approached one of the males standing atop a stump. The sheep introduced himself and explained that he was the leader of this flock. They had no shepherd but instead looked after one another and fought against the wolves in the adjoining field.

The lamb, realizing the danger the wolves posed to his own flock, asked if he could join their group. The sheep were ecstatic to have a new member and gladly welcomed the little lamb. Day after day the lamb, with his new flock, fought against the wolves and the lamb grew into a fierce warrior.

One day the lamb, no longer a lamb, stumbled into a sheep from his former flock. The sheep ran from the no longer a lamb, apparently startled about something the lamb had not seen. The lamb pursued, overtook and cornered the sheep. “Don’t you remember me?” asked the lamb. The sheep was confused. Yes, he remembered the lamb. But this lamb did not look like a lamb at all. “I remember you” said the sheep, “but why are you among the wolves?”. “Wolves?” asked the lamb. “I am fighting with these sheep against the wolves.”

The sheep replied “But those are not sheep at all. Look beneath their wool coat. Don’t you see the paws, the fangs, the eyes? These are wolves wearing the skin of the sheep they have killed, fighting among the other wolves for dominance of these fields.”

Upon further observation the sheep noted, “And you do not appear to be the lamb I once knew. You have grown fangs, and paws have replaced hooves. You are no sheep at all.”

“Are you not terrified?” asked the lamb who was no longer a lamb. “No” replied the sheep, “I do not need to fear you, or fight you. We are back in my field and I have learned not to stray. My shepherd guards me against all of the wolves.” About that time the shepherd came around the corner and drove the lamb who was no longer a lamb from the pasture.

 

Evil supports evil. The GOP and DNC are fighting for power.

Abortion has increased, even with the overturn of Roe vs Wade. You are wrong. The GOP has made no difference.

I grant that the availability of and unpopular nature of abortion in the 1970's made circumstances different. But the current situation is most Americans support abortion in most cases.

A woman in a state that completely bans abortion can fly for free and recieve a free abortion out of that state.

The GOP has guaranteed the availability of abortion. And now it is mainstream where as in the 1970's it was kept private by most.

All the GOP is doing is promising some they will have abortion avaliable, others that it will protect their alternate lifestyles, and Christians that it is not the wolf Scripture declares it to be.

You are drawing false conclusions by isolating one state. It can work both ways....the abortion rate was the highest under a GOP presidential, and had an upward trend mostly under GOP leadership. One can make statistics look however they want.

The fact is the GOP will not do anything to ban abortion for the US because it would be political suicide and it is just one party within the powers of darkness striving for control.

 

To be fair, Harris was actually responding to the pro-life protesters (we can't assime this was to the one person because he shouted that Jesus saves).

BUT this is a good illustration.

Harris does represent a demonic platform. Christians do not, obviously, belong.

On the other side we have Trump endorcing a politically motivated Bible.

It is wolf vs wolf in sheep's clothing.

And, as an "outsider", or "sojourner", it is fascinating and sad to watch. It is not, however, a cause of anxiety.

 

I saw this on Fox yesterday. I agree with the commentators. While Harris was addressing the people for their pro-life protests the DNC is anti-Christian.

 

That is what it is all about isn't it....votes as each party strives to dominate a secular world power.

If they know that they were saved from abortion through our work I would hope they wiukd be pro-life and not vote for either the GOP or the DNC. I would hope they would vote for a pro-life party or through our work be Christians and not be "of the world" when the time came.