Featured Re: Does Paul's conversion prove Calvinism's teaching on Irresistible Grace?

Points 4&5 make faith the means of grace. But this does not fit with Points 1,2&3 that save in and of themselves. Points 4&5 should instead make regeneration the means of grace which also is in itself salvation. And faith the fruit thereof. This would include infants and those beyond the reach of the Word.

 

There is no ambiguity as to the meaning of Irresistible Grace as there are many published definitions for the "I" of the TULIP on the internet. But the effort to question the knowledge of the opponent, rather than address the issue is the stock and trade of false teachers.

I am aware of the verses cited by Calvinists supposedly in support of the fiction, but in truth, there are no verses that actually support the fiction of irresistible grace. (Also sold under the name "Gift of Faith.")

 

The gospel means good news.
Well, the person of stony groud, "They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away." Luke 8:13 (Matthew 13:20-21).
Then there are those who refuse to hear.
Acts of the Apostles 7:51, "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
And Hebrews 10:28-29, "He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"
So no, God's grace is not irresistable to everyone.

 

As you should know, Calvinism's TULand I are not biblical perspectives.

Why did you not provide a definition for Irresistible Grace? Answer, you know it cannot be supported from scripture.

Why is it hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom? No answer will be forthcoming...
Luke 18:24 And Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God! If compelled by irresistible grace, the difficulty would be the same for everyone despite their circumstances, i.e. non-existent.

 

First of all Humble Disciple if I haven't said it yet welcome to the BB... If it wasn't for irresistible grace, how could God save a man?... The man doesn't quicken himself, he is dead!... So you are telling me that a dead man can come to God?... Yeah Lazarus walked out of the tomb on his own?... The same voice that brought Lazarus from the tomb is the same voice that quickens every child of God, that comes into the world... No man births himself!... If you can show me one that did in the natural world, then I will believe it is possible in the spiritual... I'm not one to give my opinion on here, so lets anchor this post with scripture

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins:

2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Each and every child of God is quickened the same way, by the Holy Spirit alone!

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

This is in relation to the quickening and it is talking about the same event, being born again (regeneration) and I can hear some on here saying no its not... Then you are saying there are more resurrections, then Jesus Christ being resurrected and us?

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Irresistible grace!... Don't leave earth without it because you will NEVER get in Heavens doors singing I did it my way... Brother Glen

 

Have you read, “The Marrow of Modern Divinity?” If not, I suggest you study it through Dr. Sinclair Ferguson who is both a degreed Doctor, a teacher and an expositor. He is also a Presbyterian.

 

I woke up this morning clearly visualizing a snake form of sin, winding it’s coils around people, coercing them to question scripture thus sowing discontent and dissent among the brethren. Gotta stay in the word!

PS: Pam and I are going to be grandparents for the first time. God is good!!!

 

It places emphasis on being forced to persevere ("irresistible" salvation by works) instead of persevering because it is the nature of the new birth to do good works and persevere in them.

 

Have you read, “The Marrow of Modern Divinity?” If not, I suggest you study it through Dr. Sinclair Ferguson who is both a degrees Doctor, a teacher and an expositor. He is also a Presbyterian.

 

Irresistible grace

 

Did anyone see this in the edited citation: If compelled by irresistible grace, the difficulty would be the same for everyone despite their circumstances, i.e. non-existent.

So we have yet another person pushing the false doctrine of Calvinism by evading actual discussion of its obvious non-biblical nature. There are no verses that actually support the TULI of Calvinism, only vague or ambiguous verses where Calvinism must be read into the text.

 

Sigh...you have had passage after passage shared with you and in each case you look for a loophole so you can deny. At this point, I must simply ignore you. Believe whatever you wish, Van. If you believe you can resist God's grace then perhaps you can show us a lifelong personal demonstration which will prove your point...