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And the Holy Spirit shows it is wrong in that understanding via context. If you want your version to stand then rewrite the rest of John 13 so the context agrees.

Mat 26:19 The disciples did as Jesus had directed them; and they prepared the Passover.
Mat 26:20 Now when evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the twelve disciples.
Mat 26:21 As they were eating, He said, "Truly I say to you that one of you will betray Me."

Mar 14:16 The disciples went out and came to the city, and found it just as He had told them; and they prepared the Passover.
Mar 14:17 When it was evening He *came with the twelve.
Mar 14:18 As they were reclining at the table and eating, Jesus said, "Truly I say to you that one of you will betray Me—one who is eating with Me."

 

@37818 The context does not support your view but you have chosen to ignore that context which is your right, but I will trust what the context shows.

You continue to trust what man has said as opposed too what the Holy Spirit shows you via the context. You feel you are right I disagree. There is not reason to continue this discussion.

Have a good day.

 

Ever wonder WHY Alan?

 

And your argument fails to explain the context inspired by the Holy Spirit. You want to trust man I will trust God.

 

I do not have to explain why the Byzantine text have that text reading. You do.

You are missing my point 37. I do not care if all the Byzantine texts have that reading. The translation does not fit the Holy Spirit inspired text. So as far as I am concerned it is wrong. You are trusting in man not God.

You are ignoring context because it does not fit your narrative.

Mat 26:19 The disciples did as Jesus had directed them; and they prepared the Passover.
Mat 26:20 Now when evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the twelve disciples.
Mat 26:21 As they were eating, He said, "Truly I say to you that one of you will betray Me."

Matthew was also there and you even ignore what he says.

 

That is one of the most illogical comments I have sen on BB.

By your logic the Holy Spirit does not understand context. I continue to find it amazing that you will support what some men have done and call into question what the Holy Spirit says. This may come as a surprise to you but the Holy Spirit did not inspire the Byzantine text.

 

@37818 why do you have such a hard time understanding what I have said?

Again, You are missing my point 37. I do not care if all the Byzantine texts have that reading. The translation does not fit the Holy Spirit inspired text. So as far as I am concerned it is wrong. You are trusting in man not God.

You are ignoring context because it does not fit your narrative.

Mat 26:19 The disciples did as Jesus had directed them; and they prepared the Passover.
Mat 26:20 Now when evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the twelve disciples.
Mat 26:21 As they were eating, He said, "Truly I say to you that one of you will betray Me."

Matthew was also there and you even ignore what he says.

If you want to trust what man has said then go for it, I will trust what the Holy Spirit inspired. The context does not support your view end of discussion. If you wish to continue this fruitless discussion then it will have to be with someone else.

Have a good day.

 

A recent translation popped up during my studies, the Evangelical Heritage Version, put out by the Lutherans. On a whim I looked up John 13:2.
The translation works with either form of the verb.
I like it the best of all!

“By the time the supper took place, the Devil had already put the idea into the heart of Judas, son of Simon Iscariot, to betray Jesus.” EHV
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Rob

 

Do you find it strange that the foot washing would occur after a meal?
Could it be that John might have emphasized something other than a linear arrangement of events?

As travelers walked, their feet would be soiled from the dust and dung that had accumulated on the pathways.
Upon arriving, their feet would be washed by a servant as a hospitality provided by the master of the house.
A meal would happen afterwards, when the company was clean.

Washing hands after the meal is a bit like a surgeon scrubbing his hands after the surgery.

Rob

 

LOL

Well, so much for all the new Bibles making things easier to understand and bringing us together!!!! So much for studying the Greek texts!

Has anyone ever noticed that the Greek scholars and the man with several English Bible translations rarely agrees on anything?

 

Actually Greek Scholars and people with several English Bible Translations agree overwhelmingly on most things. You only hear about the things they disagree on.