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History of Feet Washing

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by rlvaughn, Mar 27, 2002.

  1. Clint Kritzer

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    Thanks for the warm invitation, Jeff, but we're putting the final touches on the house I grew up (?) in and we may be moving stuff over that day. We will make it up SOME day!

    I do appreciate the narrative. It's exactly what I was looking for - a flavor of the ceremony!

    May God bless you

    - Clint
     
  2. rlvaughn

    rlvaughn Well-Known Member
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    There are at least four groups that I failed to mention in my second post - Central Baptists (Primitive Baptist descendants), Duck River and Kindred Associations, Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists (only 3 churches), and Union Baptists (another Primitive Baptist descendant similar to the Regular Baptists). All these practice feet washing. An interesting article on the subject of feet washing is found in Viewpoints: Georgia Baptist History, Volume 1. The article is titled Feet Washing among Baptists of Georgia (A Study of) by Charles O. Walker.

    Bro. Glen, I believe in the practice of feet washing in connection with the communion service. Unfortunately, it is one of the things which the rest of the church must believe also in order for you to practice it. I have observed it with sister churches that practiced it, but no church of which I have been a member or pastor has practiced it. In the first church in which I was pastor/moderator I taught it and was making progress (the older folks remembering fondly its practice in times past). But on an occasion we had a preacher from a sister church that practiced feet washing who was preaching. He attacked them and all churches who did not observe the practice in such an offensive way that he made everyone mad, set back all the teaching I had done, and ruined the possibility of instituting the example in that church. I have always taught that I believe it, but refrain from pushing it if it would cause division in the church - a divided church couldn't practice it anyway.

    Clint - The feet washing services in which I have participated are basically the same as that lined out by Jeff, with these possible exceptions: the few remarks by the ministers before the bread, wine, and feet washing were more like mini-sermons, and the members who are washing one another's feet are speaking (blessing, testifying, witnessing, whatever it might be called) to one another (which may be true in Jeff's scenario, though he didn't mention it). This is usually spoken quietly and directed to the person whose feet you are washing. It may be about feet washing itself, humility, or a number of related spiritual topics.

    Glen and Jeff may find this especially interesting. Pilgrim (Absolute) Primitive Baptist Church, the oldest Baptist church in Texas, practices communion 3 times a year. They observe feet washing with their summer communion, but have only bread & wine without feet washing in the spring and fall. I don't think this is traditional (none of the other Absoluters they fellowship do it that way), but rather something they have recently developed.
     
  3. rlvaughn

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    EARLY CHURCH

    Over the years, I have gleaned odds and ends about feet washing in early church history. They are at best sketchy, and often with little reference as to what kind of churches were practicing it. For example:

    Tertullian indicates "feetwashing was practiced in his time, but gives no clue as to by whom or how." - The Mennonite Encyclopedia, Vol. 2, p. 348, c. 1956, Mennonite Publishing House

    Practiced in Gaul and Spain in the 3rd & 4th centuries - History of the Church of God by Sylvester & C. B. Hassell, p.845

    Feet Washing practiced in Genoa in 660 AD - A Concise History of Baptists by G. H. Orchard, p. 297

    Practiced in Gaul, Milan, and Ireland (at time of baptism), but not known in Rome and the East - The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 15, p. 557 c. 1913, The Encyclopedia Press, Inc.

    Feet Washing practiced by the Albigenses (after communion service) and Waldenses (washed feet of visiting ministers) - The Mennonite Encyclopedia, Vol. 2, p. 348, c. 1956, Mennonite Publishing House

    Feet Washing practiced by the Waldenses, but they did not make it a test of fellowship - The Baptists in All Ages by J. S. Newman, p. 9

    CONTINENTAL ANABAPTISTS

    Since the feet washing among the continental Anabaptists in fairly well documented, and since many dispute whether they were Baptists, I will pass over them with only a brief quote:
    ROMAN CATHOLIC

    Clint asked about the Catholic practice. I found this in my file folders on feet washing:
     
  4. tyndale1946

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    I want to inquire of all you biblical and church historians about the feetwashing practice in the Old Testament. Since we know that the Old Testament was the New Testament consealed and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed are there any types a shadows in the Old of feetwashing. What is the historical representation of feetwashing in the Old Testament among the Jews?

    I heard others say that feetwashing is because of cultural customs and not to be observed in this manner because the practice pertained to daily living. You wash feet because your feet got dirty and especially during those times with the type of shoe wear. I know when I wear sandals without socks how filthy my feet can get.

    I want those who may be reading this later to understand that this is not done for any hygenic purpose. Everyone who partakes in the feetwashing part knows to wash there feet before they come to church. The purpose of this ordinance is not to have your feet washed like you would wash them at home to get them clean. We observe this with a spiritual attitude of servitude and as Jesus set the example we do likewise to our brethren who are our kindred in spirit. I've seen brethren so moved during feetwashing that they could have washed a brothers feet with their tears.

    I've never had the priviledge to observe the black brethren wash feet so I can't report on that yet but I will soon. I told someone on the the theology site that we practice closed communion but he corrected me and said no you practiced close communion. I only know that I've been practicing closed communion... closed to all but those of our same faith and order. Unless I'm mistaken I could go to Jeff church or he could come to mine and we could partake of communion and wash each others feet. Am I right Jeff?

    Also If you will go to the link I left and go to the part on Ricky Skaggs you can listen to his testimony on feetwashing memories. I hope the site is working... btw I found it by accident. I also started Feetwashing in the Theology forum so take a look see and give me your opinion... Brother Glen [​IMG]

    [ March 29, 2002, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: tyndale1946 ]
     
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    Just a side note Jeff say they use one cup for the wine and pass it around. Is that one for all or one for the brothers and one for the sisters? We use seperate shot classes and put wine in each? I also understand Clints apprehension but not having had his drinking problem how would a church handle a situation like his? The brother or sister understand both the significance of bread and wine but is leary of taking the wine what is the answer?

    I also appreciate the example Brother Robert gave on the trying to start a feetwashing service in church. I will ponder the questions on the theology forum and get back to you. Brother Robert on your history did you mention a group called the Dunker Brethren I believe they also are feetwasher of German descent... Brother Glen [​IMG]
     
  6. Jeff Weaver

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    Bro. G.

    We have churches here that do with one chalice, and some use two. Some use one plate for bread, some use two.

    And for what it is worth, we make our own wine.

    As for someone with a drinking problem, Ive never known of one backsliding on account of taking communion. If one were worried about it, they could mime taking it. I can't consume alcohol because of health problems and drug interactions, and that is what I do. And our folks know I do it, because I didn't take communion for a couple of years because of it, and the folks told me to do it that way, no one would object.
     
  7. Jeff Weaver

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    Bro. G.

    You are absolutely right, and absolutely welcome to take communion with us, if you can get to Maryland. [​IMG]

    Jeff
     
  8. tyndale1946

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    Thanks for that answer and it makes perfect sense to me. Who are we trying to please anyway... The Lord and he knows our heart and knows all about us. We are an open book! Thats scary... Brother Glen :eek:
     
  9. Washing of the Saint's Feet is one of the most beautiful services I have ever been in.

    The mind set is this......Christ stooped to wash the feet of His very creation. My LORD has no business at my feet, that is a servants place. But in thr true fashion of humbleness of my Savior, He stooped to was my feet. It brings tears to my eyes. If we are to follow His example, we must "wash the feet of the brethren" or simply serve. If I am to be a follower of Christ Jesus, then like He , I must be a servant!!

    If you have never washed the feet of the brethren, you have missed one of the most powerful and humbling things of the church.

    May God Bless

    Changed like Saul,

    Elder Chris

    www.pbsermons.org
     
  10. rlvaughn

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    IN ENGLAND

    It seems that in England washing the saints' feet prevailed more among the General Baptists than the Particular Baptists. As far as I know, it has not remained a practice of any of the indigenous English Baptists (e.g., Baptist Union, Gospel Standard Baptists, Grace Baptists, etc.). I thought it was practiced by the churches of the Old Baptist Union, but did not find it mentioned as I scanned their articles of faith tonight. It may have been imported back to England by American Baptist missionaries from groups that observe the practice.
    The Confession to which Goadby refers is evidently:
     
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    FEET WASHING IN AMERICA

    The earliest Baptists in America were Particular Baptists in Rhode Island (1639), though they fairly quickly spawned General Baptists (1652, in the Providence Church) and Seventh-Day Baptists (1671, in the Newport Church). I think it is fair to assume that at least some of the General Baptists from England brought the practice of feet washing with them. But I personally have no documentation on that.

    Philadelphia Baptist Association

    The oldest surviving Baptist association in America is the Philadelphia Baptist Association, which was organized in 1707. My memory was off a little when I mentioned in my second post that the Philadelphia Baptist Association approved washing the saints' feet. Here are some references.

    In 1771, there was a query from the Dividing Creek church relative to feet washing. The Association simply referred them to John 13:1-17 (which in my opinion indicates they were divided on the issue and probably took the easy way out). [p. 119, Minutes of the Philadelphia Baptist Association from 1707 to 1807, reprinted by Baptist Book Trust]

    In 1773, the church at Kingwood (N.J., org. 1742) was not agreed on washing the saints' feet and asked the Association's opinion. The Association was not agreed either and replied, we "are not so happy as to be agreed on the point," and did not want to enter into disputes on the subject. Therefore, they recommended unity and love.
    In 1792, the subject was again brought up, this time by the West Creek church, which queried, "Is the washing of feet a gospel ordinance?" The Association replied:
    Morgan Edwards

    Morgan Edwards was born in England in 1722 and came to pastor the church in Philadelphia in 1761. He served as clerk, moderator, evangelist and historian for the Philadelphia Baptist Association. He held to the practice of from 9 to 13 rites, including feet washing.
     
  12. tyndale1946

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    Brother Robert you seem to be the resident authority on feet washing Baptist and all the PB brethren here understand. You can read all the history you want to but when you really want to make some history of your own join our little band
    and pardon the expression take off your shoes and socks and get your feet wet!... Brother Glen :D
     
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    If your "little band" was all one, instead of three, I might consider it. ;) Actually, I have some agreements (and disagreements) with the three major groups of white Primitive Baptists - Old Line (Bradley group & Old School group) and the Absoluters. None of the three would accept me just as I am, and, OF COURSE, I don't think I'm the one who is wrong! :D
     
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    I guess I protesteth to much!... Understand your view completely... Well you can't say I didn't try!... Brother Glen :D
     
  15. Thou almost persuadeth me to be a Primitive Baptist!!

    Luv to was feet.

    Bro Chris

    [​IMG]
     
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    Materials Towards a History of the Baptists by Morgan Edwards
    Of a number of other Virginia churches, Edwards made note that they admitted the "nine Christian rites", which included feet washing; such as Lower Spotsylvania (p. 54), Upper Spotsylvania (p. 56), Rapid-Ann (p. 59), Buckingham (p. 60), Carters-Run (p. 63), Culpepper (p. 64), Louisa (p. 65), and Stanton (p. 65).
    Edwards says the same as above concerning the Regular Baptists of South Carolina (p. 120). He also noted feet washing in the Congaree Association of SC (p. 140ff), and in the Calvinistic Seventh Day Baptist Church at Broad River (p. 153).

    The above are from notes I made from Edwards' book, and may not be exact quotes on every occasion.
     
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    FEET WASHING IN AMERICA

    The Separate Baptists
    Perhaps the greatest influence historically on feet washing as rite among Baptists in America was the Separate Baptists. They had a great zeal to implement New Testament practice into their everyday lives and the practice of their churches. Though they are probably the most influential group among Baptists in America concerning washing the saints' feet, the practice did not originate with them, as has been incorrectly asserted on several occasions (e.g., see The Apostolic Church (p. 284) by W. E. Paxton, or Footwashing by the Master and by the Saints (p. 39-40) by Elam J. Daniels. Here is a brief reference to the Separate Baptists from Chapter 20 of A Short History of the Baptists by H. C. Vedder:
    The Separate Baptists and Feet Washing
    I doubt any will deny the existence of feet washing among the Separate Baptists, so I will give only this quote.
     
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    Brother Glen, I was reared up in a foot washing church and will gladly wash feet with any brother or sister in Christ…. However, my own personal belief is that feet washing is symbolic… I believe that we are washed by the word of God… The word washes us from the filth that accumulates on us through everyday living…. Just as the priest had to literally wash his feet, because the outer court of the tabernacle was dirt… symbolizing, his every day walk in the world….…. We are in the world, but not of the world…

    After saying that, if I was in a church that believed in the washing of feet, I would gladly humble myself and wash the brother’s feet….
     
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    Graceforever are you sure deep inside you there is not a Primitive Baptist stuggling to get out?... Brother Glen [​IMG]
     
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    I am glad we have liberty in Christ! For I do not believe in foot washing. I don't see where Christ made it an ordinance of the local church.

    Another thing, I wouldn't wish/wash my feet on anybody! :D

    When my boots come off, everybody leaves! [​IMG]

    Does that mean my feet are more sinful then others? :eek: LOL

    MY OPINION! :cool:

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