1 Cor 10:31 Giving glory to God

No reason to dwell on the mistakes of the past.

 

mistakes? I think you mean SINS of the past and they are relevant to the discussion as they go to show the power drinking has over your life, to the point of being one of the factors that destroyed your marriage.
You claim you are not addicted yet past evidence does not support your claim and your refusal to even think about going 1 month without a drink goes against your claim as well.

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Wrong. Wrong. Drinking has no control over me as I only drink on occasion and not daily and besides when was the last time I got drunk? 2006 folks. Explain that!

 

Explain why drinking was more important than your relationship with your wife.
Explain why drinking was more important than the word you gave the church you choose to put your self under?
Explain why you are unwilling to go 1 month without drinking.
Explain why you tried to minimize your sins by calling them mistakes.

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A book will not tell you if you crave alcohol.

Try my challenge.

Side note. I hope that you do not think me overly-critical about this. I believe in plain-speaking, and I am concerned for you. If you accurately represent yourself regarding this subject, I believe that you are traveling a path that leads to regret.

 

I went far longer than 1 month without a drink when I was married! Explain that!

 

No I am not. Have not been drunk since 2006. I have never been too fond of alcohol. I never order it when I go out and usually do not drink it with the exception of Mikes. However I think I might try wine soon enough since there are some flavored that taste like grape juice and I love grape juice. Also this book I am reading has gotten me more interested in wine.

 

I dont need to as that was then this is now. You are avoiding looking at the consequence of your past sins in this regarding drinking.
Your justifying your actions speaks of a conscience troubled
Your pushing drinking onto others speaks of a problem with respecting other, just as your drinking while married was disrespectful and unloving of your wife.
Your condemnation of those who do not drink for whatever reason is a problem.
You downplaying of your sin by calling it mistakes is a problem and shows lack of repentance in that area.
Your flaunting your liberty shows a disregard of Paul's commands to love the weaker brother and is a problem.

Your ripping 1 Cor. 10:13 out of context is a problem. We glorify God by looking not toward our own desires but to the needs of others around you.

There has been a lot of good advice and observations made in this thread and your discounting of all of them speaks of a problem.

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Not true not true. I do not condemn those who do not drink. I just those who are teetotalist and try and condemn people who do drink. Those that choose not to drink I admire. Ken Gentry for example does not drink yet wrote an excellent book that YOU need to read called "God gave wine."

Drinking wine can be done to the glory of God! I took nothing out of context.

 

You said that you want people to drink, pushing your liberty on them, and said that those who don't care about your drinking should become monks. Your opinion about those who don't drink is clear to all those who read your post.
I notice that you are conveniently ignoring the other points made.
1. Drinking was more important that your wife
2. Drinking was more important than your word.
3. You downplayed the above sins by calling them mistakes.
4. Your need to justify your actions speaks to a troubled conscience
5. Your refusal to give it up for one month speaks to a problem (especially given points 1 and 2).




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SMH
The lengths some people will go to in order to justify their selfish desires.

 

Both drugs and alcohol are an ancient method of pagans to...commune with the gods.

God demands we maintain self control, and I see no way to do that when we alter the state of our minds. The fruit of the Spirit is temperance. The fruit of the vine...not so much.

;)


God bless.

 

So some studies say, however, one can also simply maintain a healthy diet, hence, no need for alcohol.

In this debate I have a pretty simple position: alcohol alters the mind, and does so in varying degree to the extent of the quantity consumed. Maybe a little bit "calms one," or helps them relax, but, are there not other methods? How about reading some Scripture? That always helps me to relax, and helps me put things into a greater perspective.

It is just my opinion that any time someone feels the need to alter the state of their mind, they are departing from looking to God for the state of mind they should be in.To try to couple this with Bible Study (as the article JonC posted does) is a little absurd, for the two work against each other.


God bless.

 

I do not see Paul establishing a pattern of glorifying God through eating and drinking, but rather, the context deals specifically to practice concerning the eating of certain foods (sacrificed to idols). How we respond in those situations (how they responded, we seldom run across such meat) determines whether God is glorified or not.


God bless.

 

Do you own any career/self assessments? If not I know of a very powerful video from 1984 that can help you discover who you are!

 

What does that have to do with you trying to justify drinking alcoholic beverages?

 

The Bible justifies it! It's just you do not!

 

The Bible does not justify
1. Going behind your wife's back to drink
2. Lying to the church you chose to join about drinking
3. Minimizing sin by calling it a mistake
Here is an article you might want to read
Kirk Article

 

I was talking about drinking alcohol!

 

Yet you have sinned by lying to your ex- wife and former church about drinking alcohol making those facts relevant.
If you are sinning to do something it doesn't matter if that something is OK, it does not justify the sin.

Example:
The Bible is fine with eating, but that would not justify stealing food to eat. Eating does not negate the sin of stealing.

You cannot justify lying to your ex wife and former church about drinking.

The fact that alcohol had enough control over you to cause you to lie about it shows there is a problem there.
You knew the churches stance when you joined willingly.
You knew your ex-wife's conviction before you married her.
You chose drinking over your ex-wife and the word you gave the church.

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