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Sorry, but this claim is a complete and total fiction, using vague phraseology to deceive.

Of course everyone must be exposed to the gospel in order to believe in the gospel. Duh. The gospel as presented in the New Testament is the work product of the Holy Spirit as He inspired the authors.

But that is not what is being suggested! Nope, something more foul.

Of course no one can trust in the Lord unless first "drawn" by the Father. Duh We love Him because He first loved us.

But that is not what is being suggested! Nope, something more foul.

What is being taught is the false doctrine of "the gift of faith" whereby people are unable to receive the gospel and respond unless that are enabled by Irresistible grace. But did you see any of that the the OP. No, of course not because destructive heresies are introduced secretly.

But the proof that this claim is fiction is obvious, why does God credit the faith of some, and then bestow blessings. If the faith is given to the person, it would all ready be righteous as a gift from God. How could God choose someone for salvation through faith in the truth, if they had to be given faith before they could be chosen. It is nonsense from beginning to end.

 

Paul is writing to believers in Corinth as we can see from 1Corinthians 11:17-34 when he admonishes them for the way some have caused divisions within the body. He then continues to write of the gifts of the Spirit which they have received and contrasts the response of a pagan and a believer.

A citizen of the Roman Empire was required once a year to put a pinch of incense on the altar and say, “Caesar is Lord!” This was anathema to believers. No true Christian could call anyone but Christ “Lord,” so this was a definite test of whether or not a person was saved. Wiersbe's Expository Outlines

While anyone can mouth the words "Jesus is Lord" only those that have trusted in God for their salvation and been indwelt by the Holy Spirit will say it in truth.

So while you would like it to support your theological view it does not.

 

Yes we do disagree but you have failed to recognize that the scriptural context also disagrees with your view. Pulling verses out of context is a sure way to fall into error.

I disagree with your theological view and will point out what I see as your errors in misunderstanding of the biblical text.

If memory serves I have not accused you of deliberate falsehood, deception or heresy.

 

I noted in your response to @Van in post #4 that you listed a number of things not mentioned in the text but then you turn around and claim something that was not found in the text and which the context does not support. "The only thing mentioned in this verse is the foundational principle that God Holy Spirit is essential and indispensable to each and every genuine profession of faith that leads to salvation "

Paul wrote to believers in Corinth to point out some errors in their church, see 1 Corinthians 11:17-34, regarding the Lord's supper and then we see the start on chapter 12 "Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters".

Your comment is actually correct up to the point where you add "that leads to salvation". There you are adding your theological view which the text does not support.

From your first post you are saying that the Holy Spirit must enable a person to believe but then we run headlong into the problem that you have made God responsible for all those that do not trust in Him and thus end up in hell. Your words "to be ABLE to say “Jesus is Lord” leading to salvation." do not leave any wiggle room @canadyjd.

 

LOL, now this poster advocates taking a verse out of context.

Folks what does "by the Spirit" mean in 1 Corinthians 12:3? Does this mean the words are being formulated and spoken by the Supernatural power of the Holy Spirit? Nope. The actual idea is that no one speaking in accordance with truth held by the Holy Spirit says Jesus is accursed, and no one not speaking in accordance with the truth held by the Holy Spirit says Jesus is the Lord.

 

Were any words added to scripture? Nope.
Here are words confusing truth and twisting scripture:

Paul is very clearly stating God Holy Spirit is essential to every profession of faith resulting in salvation. ​

The actual idea is that when we speak "by the Spirit" we speak in accordance with the truth as held by God"s Holy Spirit.

 

If you had read and considered the context, {1Co 11:17-12:11} as you claim to have done, you would see that it was not an attempt to dismiss what Paul had said but rather to clarify what he was saying to the Corinthians.

"A citizen of the Roman Empire was required once a year to put a pinch of incense on the altar and say, “Caesar is Lord!” This was anathema to believers. No true Christian could call anyone but Christ “Lord,” so this was a definite test of whether or not a person was saved." Wiersbe's Expository Outlines

You fail to understand that Paul was writing to believers and comparing their present state to when they were unsaved/pagans. 1Co 12:2 "You know that when you were pagans..."

When Paul wrote, 1Co 12:3 "Therefore I want you to know", what did he want these Corinthians to know?
1] Those that were indwelt by the Holy Spirit could not say "Jesus is accursed"
and
2] only those that were indwelt could truly say "Jesus is Lord".

So your attempt to use 1Co 12:3 to support your view fails. The context does not say what you need it to say.

From your first post and you continue to restate your position you are saying that the Holy Spirit must enable a person to believe but then we run headlong into the problem that you have made God responsible for all those that do not trust in Him and thus end up in hell. Your words "to be ABLE to say “Jesus is Lord” leading to salvation." do not leave any wiggle room @canadyjd.

You have also failed to address the core problem in your view.

 

Yet another flip-flop!!
They yank something out of context, then claim they are presenting something in context.

Then the phrase no man can say Jesus is Lord but by the Spirit does not mean no person can say Jesus is Lord but in accordance with the truth held by the Spirit. What are they saying, that the Spirit does not hold this as true?

 

1 Corinthians 12:3 context gives meaning.

Verse 3, . . . Jesus is Lord . . . .

Verse 4, . . . same Spirit . . . .

Verse 5, . . . same Lord . . . .

Verse 6, . . . same God which worketh all in all.

Our Lord Jesus is both Lord and God. See John 20:28, John 14:6, and 1 Timothy 2:5.

 

Yet another direct attack on me, note the number of "you" words.

Then the claim that the phrase no man can say Jesus is Lord but by the Spirit does not mean no person can say Jesus is Lord but in accordance with the truth held by the Spirit. What are they saying, that the Spirit does not hold this as true?

By the Spirit = In accordance with the Spirit.

Jesus is accursed = Not in accordance with the Spirit

Jesus is Lord = In accordance with the Spirit