Accountable to God

Is it your NIV? My KJB says it pretty clear. Just kidding, Lorelei

I have heard it from the pulpit from two different views.

1. All will be judged

2. The unsaved will be judged, saved be judged for deeds done.

I think of the parable of the talents. Given certain talents, God will look at us for what we had done with what He entrusted us with.

Revelation 20:11-15 seems pretty clear, too.
We aren't going to be judged for sins, those are already forgiven. But we are accountable for what we do, and preaching false things to a people that are looking to the preacher for answers, will be accountable for what those people do with what they have been taught. This is probably why preachers will also receive a crown for that service. They have to be careful to know what they are teaching.

 

The Bible says in 2Corinhians5:9,10,11- Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent we may be accepted of Him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done whether it be good or bad. Knowing the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; butwe are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

There is a judgment day coming for the Christian where Christ the rightious Judge will judge us. This judgment is not to see if we are saved being there means we are. To see as others have said if our works will stand the fire. We do try to do good works that we wil have crowns to lay at His feet. We do good works because we are saved and want to please Him. The love of Christ constraineth us. There will be terror at that judgment and maybe crying. The passage about no more crying is down the road from this. We may cry we may be ashamed. How many of us have done all they could or all they should? When we stand before Him and see what we could have done or should have done or should not have done ,of course, we will be ashamed. The terror of the Lord I don't completely understand but right there it is in the Bible so I believe it. Again this is the thrice holy God of the universe who created all this isn't just the local small town judge. We should fear not living as we ought to because one day we will stand before Him and I don't want Him to be ashamed of me.
The judgment I believe will take place after the rapture when the church goes to meet its Saviour.
It will take place sometime during the tribulation.

 

Within the process of Sanctification.
we have the babe (heb 5:12-6:9), then child. next comes the young man stage (1 john)..
Yet between the child and young man stage; the child in christ is tried.
These children stand "before" christ daily..praying for mercy, forgiveness, supplications, and thanksgivings.
As our minds are slowly interpreting what the holy spirit is saying to our "new man"..our new spirit.
while our mind are either accepting or rejecting this wisdom.
this wisdom WILL BE TRIED..or tested.

we are in the presence of christ daily, yet the day of the lord is the day that we finally comprehend within our minds eye that jesus actually has been resurrected from the dead and declared lord over all...

all while we are still in our physical bodies.

we allow our new spirit to manifest this reaction. by realizing our very spirits have been resurrected from the dead also..."in christ".

In that day the Holy spirit comes to "dwell within us". and declare to the world around us that
Jesus is lord.

we should notice that each verse is directed towards a general believer and a specific believer.
children will not understand what is being spoken to an adult..as in the 2 cor 5:9,10,11 verses.
These verses are specifically directed at children. notice the judgement seat of CHRIST.
children go before a high priest. young men go straight to the father (in jesus name).
or in 1 john 2..specifically to children.admonishing to love their brothers and avoiding false teachers (antichrists).
their wisdom is "about" to be tried.

But yet other verses specifically describing future stages of faith..young men with their specific battles against the devil or the fathers as they have been shown how to return the love they have seen of the their father back towards Gods very creation...ALL of IT

Now those children who hold back the holy spirit from communication with their spirit (via confusion of Pride) stand before christ in judgement.. possibly being guilty of blaspheming the holy spirit and having their heart hardened against God and will undergo further "instruction"...

and yet all the while, this is only the beginnings of sanctification..
theres much more to learn.

all while we are physically alive..

and "crowns" are not real...they are alluding to the increase of knowledge of the new spirit. (pro 4:9)
as also are gold, silver..precious gems.
(those are anthropomorphic language..as also thrones and thronerooms..God is infinite)

Me2

 

[/QUOTE]This is strictly my own interpretation. I have no scripture to back this up.

I am not sure the rebuking will come from God.

I think the tears will be from seeing our loved ones and others, (whom we had a chance to witness to and did not), thrown into the Lake of Fire.


Sue [/QB][/QUOTE]


Dear Sue:

These things you's are talking about, I have just recently heard about. You mentioned this is not in scripture what you have said. But why would a loving God have His saints watch as people would be thrown into the lake of fire?

This is just my understanding also, but is not the Great White Throne Judgement, only the place where the saints will be before Christ. There is another Judgement, for those not saved to be judged, they are not at the Great White Throne Judgement?

Sincerely, Pam

 

James #:1 "Let not many of you become teachers, my bretheren, knowing that as such we shall incur a strictor judgement." NAS

The word used for teacher can also be translated master and doctor, but of course doctor would not fit in the context of the verse.

teachers are in charge of educating. If they teach false doctrine to others they become a stumbling block. Many people don't double check their pastors for accuracy, they just trust them. If your pastor teaches you faulty doctrine he will be held responcible for that at a greater degree than a layman in the church. As the head of the church he has authority and if misused it can cause many problems. Your pastor is correct, and sounds like he takes his role seriously.

It is good that you are trying to discover the reason why he said this. We should always confirm the messages we hear to Scripture.

 

Actually I think it is the opposite.

Some people interpret this as both the saved and unsaved before the throne, and I suppose it could be, but it says the "dead" were standing before the throne, as Christians we are no longer dead. It says the "dead" were judged according to their works. We will not be judged by what we have done because we are covered in the blood of Christ, our salvation came from grace, not works. It also says the sea gave up the "dead" and death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This isn't a Christian's judgment.

The judgment for christians that is referred to in Romans actually uses a different word, not meaning "judge" in the way we think of it here.

~Lorelei

 

FearNot,

I appreciate your post. I am actually not questioning his accountability, as we all are accountable, I am just trying to determine in what way we are held accountable.

We had a powerful message this morning and one that really spoke to my heart on this issue. My problem doesn't stem from the fact that somehow we are indeed accountable, but from the fact that this accountability is used to strike fear into the hearts of people to make them act like Christians.

The sermon this morning was about salvation and where salvation will take you. Of course salvation takes you to heaven, that is the most joyous and sought after aspect of salvation and is indeed the final destination. But salvation will also take you to holiness, to the the harvest (witnessing) and to the House of God. His point was this, "If your salvation is not taking you to holiness, the harvest field and the house of God, then how do you expect it to get you to heaven?" We need to make sure our salvation is real, if it is, the rest will become reality.

These results should occur naturally in a Christian's life. We shouldn't have to try and strike fear into Christians, for they should willingly want to do these things. I think we put way too much emphasis on your crown and "how embarrassed we will be." I think this can actually cause people to try to work for their crown on their own, without walking in the Spirit. Therefore they are either not going to get a reward because they served out of fear instead of joy, or they are not even going to make it to heaven because they were never saved to begin with. They were just busy doing what was "demanded" of them.

I think we should preach the Word and let the Spirit move the individual. If the Word says you are accountable, then AMEN! But let us not plant images beyond what the Word says for sure. We don't need guilt trips and images of a disappointed God to do the work that the Holy Spirit is empowered to do. That is all I am saying.

Yes, we are accountable, but from what I read, THAT day is going to be a joyous day! That good news should encourage us to do the work that we need to do, out of joy, not fear.

~Lorelei