The word "ordain" means, "to appoint."
They are synonymous terms.
They mean the same thing.
Other synonyms would be, "order,"
"prescribe,"
"decree."
You said that nothing happens, nothing comes to pass unless it is ordained by God.
That makes God the cause because He ordained something to happen, to occur.
That's the obvious meaning behind "ordain."
So if God ordained a woman to be raped, He is responsible for it because His sovereign decree made it happen.
That is why it is untenable, theologically to say that nothing happens unless God ordains it.
Your view is not sound doctrine, but false, unbiblical doctrine and is an assault on God's character.
Acts2:23 is not unbiblical doctrine or an assault on God’s character.
The sin of those who did this sin was not caused by God.
I am not of the blame God for man's sin crowd.
Sin exists and does not exist outside of God's
control..
Using the reasoning of some on here,God would be blamed for sin because He is the creator of all things.
No...I will stick with the Biblical revelation.
I don't want you to have to settle for a #5 (insult) or #6 (mystery), so I hope you don't mind if I take a shot at answering this question.
No letter leaves the office without my first reading it over.
If I do not approve the letter, then the letter is not sent.
That could reasonable be interpreted as I have 'ordained' that any letter that gets mailed may and will be mailed.
If I objected to the letter, it would not have been mailed.
That does not make me the author of all of the letters that leave the office.
This is played out between God and Satan in Job.
Did God kill Job's children and wipe out his wealth?
Not directly, no.
Satan did the evil actions against Job.
However, Satan was not able to do anything that God had not first "ordained".
God did not MAKE Satan harm Job.
Satan did what Satan wanted to do.
Satan followed his own nature.
God set the boundaries on how far Satan was permitted to follow the desires of his heart.
Joseph is a similar story.
Men acted according to their own sinful desires and God knew the hearts of people and allowed their free actions to advance the plan of God.
Man's free will plays right into God's ordained plan.
Because He does not sin.
Because He never commands
anyone to Sin Chapter 3 - God's Decree
I have offered two links to help.
These persons are much wiser and gifted than I am.
Read the links carefully.
But if God ordains something to happen, if nothing happens that God does not ordain (appoint, decree), then God is the direct cause of any act, sinful or not, since it was His will to ordain it to happen.
You cannot escape that unassailable logic.
I don't have time to sit and read 13 pages.
The fact remains that your view of God isn't biblical.
You claim that God ordains every act, something the Bible does not say.
The Bible never presents God's sovereignty as direct cause of every action taken by every person.
Right off the bat, you hold to an unbiblical position.
God allows things to happen against His will.
He allows people to go to Hell, though that is not His will for anyone.
God allows people to be immoral and criminal.
But God doesn't "ordain" them to be such and you have no biblical basis for saying such.
Gt,
If God purposes anything to happen,
it will happen isa46:9-11. There us no if....
Gt...I do not do much in terms of philosophy.
You have to check out my friend Benjamin for philosophical speculation.
The links I offered are some of the best I know of
That is not in dispute. And as said before, that is a distraction to the issue at hand.
And I am not operating in the realm of philosophy.
This isn't really hard.
You are trying to use the word "ordain" in a manner that is inconsistent with what it means.
You are trying to dodge the obvious problem of claiming that EVERY action is ordained by God as understood by the plain meaning of the word, "ordain."
You cannot make the case that God ordains criminal activity or sin.
So why not just admit that you overstated the fact that ever act is ordained by God?
Why not just admit that God doesn't ordain sinful activity?
Wouldn't that be easier than trying to twist and turn and perform theological gymnastics that simply don't line up with the Bible?
Friend, this is an open forum
to interact on
If you do not have time to read 13 pages, I cannot be of any help to you.
I expressed what I know to be biblical . Thanks for your responses.
I am not talking about your link.
I am talking about YOUR attempt to navigate your claim that God ordains everything that happens, while trying not to admit that your statement would blame God for sinful acts that he allegedly ordains.
You cannot say that God ordains every action, but that God is not responsible for the occurrence of
the sinful acts that He ordains to occur.
Your statement is internally inconsistent and unbiblical.
It is not a sustainable or defensible position to hold.
Sorry, but I am not in need of your help.
You do not instruct me.
I am not in need of your counsel.
The problem here is your inability to defend your self-contradictory position.
Your position is anything but biblical.
It is an assault on God's character.