Oh really? That excerpt doesn't say that repenting of your sins is necessary for salvation? It's right there in black and white!
But, then again in the Calvinist world you live in:
the world means the Elect
whosoever means the Elect
all means the Elect
so I suppose you can rationalize and redefine what that excerpt says so it fits whatever you want it to say.
'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved'
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Martin Marprelate, Dec 24, 2015.
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See my answer to your question here:
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God does not repent for man; he commands man to repent. You are a very confused person.
Your theology makes God out to be schizophrenic.
IT's theology is like this:
God commands man: "Repent!" Then God says: "No, wait! I have changed my mind. I will repent on your behalf."
Is your God so double-minded he cannot make up his own mind.
The Bible commands all men everywhere to repent. God never promises that He will do it for them.
It has nothing to with man-centered or God-centered theologies. It has to do with believing what the Bible says.
Mark 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
--With God all things are possible. Rich men can enter heaven. That is what I said. But you put your words in my mouth saying what I didn't say. That is misrepresentation on your part, commonly called lying. Jesus did not say it was impossible for a rich man to enter into heaven, did he? Only if you take that phrase out of context did he say that, and that is exactly what you did. -
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What, did you repent of that belief overnight?
And then you lecture me about reading comprehension!
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There is a difference between saying a person needs to repent of all sin....
and saying a Cals teach a works based salvation.
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Here is what we have, it is dhk versus the Christ of God. The former says salvation is possible with man. The Christ of God says it is impossible. Dhk says, concerning salvation being possible with man, 'It is possible but difficult' showing that he believes, and preaches, man can do it, making it achieved by works.
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It is impossible....man - made legalistic efforts cannot save anyone. Only by the finished Work of Jesus Christ Can man be saved...
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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here is some vintage DHK highlights as he debated Amy G and Bob B
https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/sorrow-to-repentance.38978/page-5
Look how Amy G took you to school
And no where in the Bible do we find that sorrow is necessary for salvation.Click to expand...Brother Bob said:
Oh, but it is scripture, even John Wesley agrees with me. You know the more I am on here the more I see how much I am like John Wesley in belief. He believed in a Christian being a "good" person also.
2Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
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Let him agree. But he is wrong.
How can an ungodly person have Godly sorrow? Please explain.
The passage was written to believers not unbelievers.
DHKClick to expand...
Brother Bob said:
It says "to Salvation".
Oh, but it is scripture, even John Wesley agrees with me.Click to expand...
Because salvation is mentioned in that one verse, doesn't mean that it refers to spiritual salvation or eternal salvation; it doesn't. I already explained to you what it means. You apparently don't read my posts.
You know the more I am on here the more I see how much I am like John Wesley in belief. He believed in a Christian being a "good" person also.
Psa 38:18For I will declare mine iniquity; I will be sorry for my sin.
2Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
The more you post on here the more you act like a member of a cult (and no you are not one). But your style of hermenutics is like one. You are applying Scripture that is directed solely to Christians to the unsaved!! Why are you doing that? Why are you taking Scripture out of its context.
If a person never feels any "remorse" over what he is doing while sinning, he will never repent or turn from such. Why should he, he is not condemned in doing these things.
I say if a person never becomes sorry over committing sins, he will die in that condition and go to hell.
That is borderline heresy.
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Iconoclast said: ↑here is some vintage DHK highlights as he debated Amy G and Bob BClick to expand...
The truth is very simple. It was just recently posted:
Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes unto the Father but by me."
Do you believe that? It is doubtful. You don't post like you do. Understand that the simple statement made by Christ is salvation by faith (sola fide).
Your definition of repentance requires you to believe in a message of salvation by works which is no better than Hinduism, Catholicism, or any other world religion. It denies the grace of God in salvation. You have said that: "salvation requires that one repents from all their sin." That is a works-based salvation.
What you have brought from past posts, (which you apparently agree with), is that salvation is emotional. Without your emotions one cannot be saved. After all, that is what sorrow is, an emotion. Like a little child: "I am sorry; I am sorry; I am sorry," cry, cry, cry. Very emotional. So you are sorry for your sins? That doesn't guarantee you salvation. Nowhere does the Bible teach that sorrow is a requirement for salvation. That was the debate, and you are now saying that it is. Honestly Icon! How many works do you have before one must be saved.
Let me remind you that salvation is by faith and faith alone.
But Icon says that salvation is by faith PLUS sorrow, plus repentance of all one's sins, plus waiting for God to give you the gift of repentance, and the gift of faith, plus, plus, plus, ...WORKS
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DHK said: ↑But Icon says that salvation is by faith PLUS sorrow, plus repentance of all one's sins, plus waiting for God to give you the gift of repentance, and the gift of faith, plus, plus, plus, ...WORKSClick to expand...
God grants faith and repentance to those of His choosing.
Salvation is by faith and faith alone.Click to expand...
You have maintained that God had nothing to do with it. You claim that He may have been aware --
but He certainly didn't cause you to be regenerated --it was all of you. But DHK, salvation is by the faith God gives --not your foul offering. "He chose to give us birth" (James 1:18) --spiritual rebirth.
"It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God's mercy." (Ro. 9:16)
"children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God." (John 1:13)Click to expand... -
Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite SupporterDHK said: ↑Biblical faith and repentance are two sides of the same coin.Click to expand...
So it is with your coin of salvation. One side, the side of faith, is reasonably accurate, but the other side, the side of repentance, is nothing like the real thing. My fear is that millions of people have this fake coin and when they come to present it before the throne of grace, they will find that it is worthless before God.
Repentance is a change of mind with respect to one's attitude to God.
Repentance says: Once I was in rebellion to God. Then my attitude toward God was changed.
Now I am submissive to the will of God. That is repentance.Click to expand...
Both faith in Christ and repentance happen at the same time. Thus repentance need not to be mentioned in NT soteriology. It is inherent in "believing in Christ," or in "faith."Click to expand... -
What do people repent of?
Repent of unbelief/lack of faith/trust in Christ/messiah/finished work of Christ
Turn from self as god and turn to the One True Living God.
John 16:8-9 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite SupporterJonShaff said: ↑What do people repent of?
Repent of unbelief/lack of faith/trust in Christ/messiah/finished work of Christ
Turn from self as god and turn to the One True Living God.
John 16:8-9 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Of sin, because they believe not on me;Click to expand...
God saves people ....from their sins....not in their sins-
mt1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
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Each of you who has shown dhk his errors, which are many, on HIS doctrine of repentance and are accurate in your assessment.
But that is only the tip of the iceberg and you are missing a bigger issue.
DHK has said that salvation is possible with men. He said; 'It is possible, but it is difficult' concerning a mans ability. That is works salvation. Saying 'but it is difficult' is placing man as the captain of his own salvation, shows that he must use effort, for, 'it is possible'. But few of you are calling him on this huge error and need to take a look at what he is saying here.
Christ on the other hand has said that with man it is impossible; 'When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Clearly dhk is teaching salvation by works, by effort of man.
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