Can The Case Be Made That Christ Died For All?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, Apr 28, 2022.

  1. AustinC Well-Known Member

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    Correct. They cannot know. And, they don't care to know. They outright think it's crazy.
     
  2. 37818 Well-Known Member

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    I do not understand your argument here.
     
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    Without the claim Christ died for them there is no basis to believe in Christ.
     
  4. AustinC Well-Known Member

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    1 John 2:2 has been addressed many, many times. You isolate a sentence and thus you fail to grasp what John is saying in the whole of his letter. Your hermeneutics are bad. We have shown you this. You are showing us your ignorance.

    Romans 3 is such a wonderful treatise on justification by faith alone for the believer. Salvation has already taken place by God's grace and justification is next in line. Thanks for reminding all believers about what God has done for them in giving them the gift of faith.
     
  5. Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    What Bible are you reading? Are you saying that Jesus did not die for those that would believe in Him? Man you are on some shaky ground here.
     
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    You wondered what payment still being required I was referring to. So since you obviously do not know what payment we are talking about, I was confirming you do, in fact, adhere to PSA?
     
  7. AustinC Well-Known Member

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    They cannot believe unless God makes them alive to the gospel. When God calls their name, they will believe and have faith.

    We say "believe in the Lord Jesus Christ" and many/most look at us as fools. Those whom God calls out, look at us and say, "I believe" precisely because God just made them alive and gave them faith to believe.
    It is a profound mystery how the Holy Spirit does this, but it is a glorious mystery. When you hear Jesus call you, you know it's the voice of your Shepherd.
     
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    This is just stupid. It's not Calvin we get this from, it's Scripture.
     
  10. Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    This goes back to a post that reformed 1689 has not dealt with and I doubt that he will.
     
  11. Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    So you deny Eph 1:13 & Rom 10:13.
     
  12. Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    So "whole world" means what to you?
     
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    So of your comments are really childish but I am starting to expect that from some of the people on here. Call me what ever makes you happy.
     
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    I just posted what you DoG states. Yet you deny it so I have to wonder if you really know what you believe.
     
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    Then you do not know your scripture. Stop looking at scripture threw those calvinist glasses.
     
  16. Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    Can we all say confirmation basis.
     
  17. AustinC Well-Known Member

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    Seven straight wiffs. Silverhair is going for a double strikeout.
     
  18. Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    And that shows a major flaw in calvinism. You can not even know if you are saved as you had nothing to do with being saved. You did not even believe, God had to give you faith and you just have to hope that it was real. It could all be just wishful thinking on your part.

    It would be interesting to hear you explain the gospel to your loved ones. Do you tell them that odds are that God did not pick them out and that they are bound for hell and there is nothing they can do about it.

    How do you explain Joh 3:14-18 or Eph 1:13 or Rom 10:13?
     
  19. Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    So your saying that you are saved by God before you actually believe in God. But I was told that no calvinist believes that, so does that mean your not a calvinist?
     
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    But I notice none of you are bothering to try and refute what I have posted.