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Capitalism and Socialism and Distributism

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Aug 14, 2020.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Came across this last night(I think it was on my Facebook timeline). Found it interesting. Not saying yay or nay about it. Just thought it was something interesting to share.

    From the pro-life, culturally conservative, American Solidarity Party(thus, the pelican reference):

     
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    Interesting!! Back in the mid 70s I had decided that I wanted to start my own business. Didn't know what, just wanted to be independent!
    Three basics I had decided on in the initial stages were:
    1 Give a product/service that was ethically & morally fair, desired, & acceptable,
    2 Customer satisfaction would be a priority, &
    3 If I were successful & had employees, there would be some form of profit sharing with them.

    Never got off the ground, as I learned all the red tape a small business had to endure & I said I was not THAT DESPERATE to be my own boss!
     
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    One problem, IMHO, with distributionism is it seems to rest on preexisting conditions.

    I worked for an HVAC COMPANY. The owner sacrificed, went without, worked a full time job in addition to starting his business the first few years, ect. In other words, he took a huge risk in investment hoping for a gain. There were ups and downs. The company is doing very well.

    But the company would probably not exist under distributionism. It went from one person, to two (I was the third). Now it us a good size. It would be theft for people coming afterwards to assume ownership without experiencing that initial risk and sacrifice.

    Were the company able to start up under distributionism (say three of us came together and risked the start up) it would have failed (clients, equipment.... healthy growth... took time). But say we were well off enough to sustain ourselves a few years. Then we would be trapped. The company would die because to grow we would have to dilute ownership and preexisting capital.

    The solution, I suppose, would be allowing potential employees a buy in, or to purchase an ownership in order to work at the company. This could be working at reduced wages until the "debt" is paid. But I do not see how this would work.
     
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  4. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    I have a book on my Kindle I want to read(along with a bunch of others on various subjects :Biggrin) entitled:

    TOWARD A TRULY FREE MARKET: A Distributist Perspective on the Role of Government, Taxes,
    Health Care, Deficits, and More
    by John C. Médaille.

    Hopefully, it will explain the concept in more depth.
     
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    words…I think this fits here:
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    POTUS has them surrounded

    14 Friday Aug 2020

    Posted by Radiopatriot in American Spirit

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    IMF (international monetary fund) and Trump.

    A friend sent me this essay, unmarked by author or publication. So I did a search and found it has been published in several places, and at different times. This essay made it around the world, it seems. I’m reprinting it because… well, read it and see for yourself.

    The IMF is warning that “global economies” will contract by $455 billion next year due to the ongoing trade conflict between the U.S., China, the EU and to a lesser extent, Japan.

    President Trump will cost the “Global Economy” $455 billion…. because that money will be transferring back to the America First economy. That’s what happen as MAGAnomics reverses the IMF trade (wealth distribution) model.

    China and the EU have devalued their currency in an effort to block the impacts from President Trump and the ‘America First’ trade policy. Because those currencies are pegged against the dollar, the resulting effect is a rising dollar value. In essence, the globalist IMF is now blaming President Trump for having a strong economy that forces international competition to devalue their currency.

    In the bigger picture is why President Trump is the most trans-formative economic President in the last 75 years. The post-WWII Marshall Plan was set up to allow Europe and Asia to place tariffs on exported American industrial products.Those tariffs were used by the EU and Japan to rebuild their infrastructure after a devastating war.

    However, there was never a built-in mechanism to end the tariffs…. until President Trump came along and said: “it’s over”!

    After about 20 years (+/-), say 1970 to be fair, the EU and Japan received enough money to rebuild. But instead of ending the one-way payment system, Asia and the EU sought to keep going and build their economies larger than the U.S. Additionally, the U.S. was carrying the cost of protecting the EU (via NATO) and Japan with our military. The EU and Japan didn’t need to spend a dime on defense because the U.S. essentially took over that role. But that military role, just like the tariffs, never ended. Again, until Trump.

    The U.S. economy was the host for around 50 years of parasitic wealth ex-filtration, or as most would say “distribution.” The term *ex-filtration* better highlights that American citizens paid higher prices for stuff, and paid higher taxes within the overall economic scheme, than was needed.

    President Trump is the first and only president who said: “enough”, and prior politicians who didn’t stop the process were “stupid” etc. etc. Obviously, he is 100% correct.

    For the past 30 years the U.S. was a sucker to keep letting the process remain in place while we lost our manufacturing base to overseas incentives. The investment process from Wall Street (removal of Glass-Stegal) only made the process much more severe and faster. Wall Street was now investing in companies whose best bet (higher profit return) was to pour money overseas. This process created the “Rust Belt”, and damn near destroyed the aggregate manufacturing industry.

    Unfortunately, putting ‘America First’ is now also against the interests of the multinationals on Wall Street; so President Trump has to fight adverse economic opponents on multiple fronts…. and their purchased mercenary army we know as DC politicians.

    No-one, ever, could take on all these interests. Think about it… The EU, Asia, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, China, Russia, U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Iran, U.S. Congress, Democrats, U.S. Senate, Wall Street, the Big Club, Lobbyists, Hollywood, Corporate Media (foreign and domestic), and the ankle-biters in Never Trump…. All of these financial interests are aligned against Main Street USA and against President Trump.

    Name one individual who could take them on simultaneously and still be winning, bigly.

    They say he’s one man. They say they have him outnumbered. Yet somehow, as unreal as it seems, he’s the one who appears to have them surrounded.
     
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    This effusive praise of a mortal man reminds me of a Bible verse:

    “Therefore, as soon as all the peoples heard the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and every kind of music, all the peoples, nations, and languages fell down and worshiped the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.” - Daniel‬ ‭3:7‬ ‭ESV‬‬
     
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    We all see what we want to see. I see a president getting credit from this missive, where it is never offered by the 95% negative coverage he gets. If he had ‘normal’ support, perhaps he wouldn’t have to use twitter to get his message out. You attack the method of delivery while ignoring what was delivered, because.......
     
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    “Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation.” - Psalm‬ ‭146:3‬ ‭ESV‬‬
     
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