Do people which commit suicide automatically go to hell?

That is NOT what it is saying. It is saying that if we depend on the law to save us we have trampled the Son of God underfoot and discounted His sacrifice.

 

LOOK, I think that its just ridiculous for people to claim that it is ok to commit suicide, end of discussion for me.

 

Nobody here thinks it's "okay" to commit suicide!

And you still didn't answer my question.... :sleep:

 

NOBODY has said that suicide is ok. The question was, does a person who has commited suicide go to hell. That has not been proven any more than does someone go to hell if there is but one unconfessed sin in their life. My point all along has been that ONLY God can judge the heart.

 

An absolutely ridiculous statement.

Is sin an affront to a holy God? Yes. But your view...that if we die with any unconfessed sin, we automatically go to hell...is absolute garbage. It's not scriptural. Period. It makes a mockery of grace. Does living in sin make a mockery of grace? Yes. But SFIC, you have just admitted that God's grace is only as good as our last confession. God's grace, contradicting the old hymn, is no longer "greater than all our sins."

• First, according to you, there's a list of sins that God's grace can't cover...like suicide. And all you can offer is one passage, squeezed by your eisegesis, and contradicted by other parts of the passage.
• Second, you seemed to have embraced Catholic theology lock, stock, and barrel. Venial & Mortal sins? Last rites? Wow...I wouldn't have expected this of you.

Sad.

 

Standing, I'm back from church and see this stupid thread is still going. You said nobody has "blown" away your theory..........well here goes fellow.
1. Q. Why did Samson "kill himself?"
A. To avenge them plucking out his eyes! Jud.16:28 (could that be pride?)
2. Q. Did Samson committ murder?
A. Yes! 16:30
3. Where between vs.28 and vs.30 did he "repent?'
A. NOWHERE!
4. Q. Did Samson go to heaven?
A. Heb.11:32 it sure looks like it.
Now, I don't want to hear something like ....that was different, or it was an act of war, because it wasn't any different than anybody else killing themselves...he's dead BY HIS OWN HAND! It was not an act of war!

 

Again, all murderers will have their part in the lake of fire. Is that a false statement? Was John lying when he penned that down? Did he misquote Jesus?

I don't beleve he did. Why did he not say 'some murderers will have their part in the lake of fire?'

You say once we come to God not even suicide will keep us from His eternal Kingdom. Yet I have given many verses that prove no murderer will enter heaven. Not even taking them out of context.

John said 'no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.' Jesus said 'He that hath the Son hath life'. Which one is lying? I say neither. If one who murders does not have life, then he or she could not have the Son... therefore, that one who murders his or her self is lost.

Like Claudia, I am finished with this thread.

 

Since sfiC has said he is finished with this thread, I will answer that question, Shiloh.

No, Samson did not kill himself. Read the passage. You will find that he did not commit suicide at all. Samson did not even have the strength to knock the building down at that time until he asked God to strengthen him. He asked God to let him die with the Philistines. God took his life. God did the killing, of both Samson and the Philistines. God answered Samson's prayer.

Geneva's notes put it this way:

KJG Notes (Jdg 16:28)​

Geneva Bible Notes:
(1) According to my calling which is to execute God's judgments on the wicked.

So, even at Samson's death, he was doing that which he was called to do.

And now, I too am finished with this thread. I commend those who hold to the truth in God's word that suicide is murder and all murderers, not some, as sfiC has so well spoken, will have their part in the lake of fire.​

 

Boy, take a Christmas vacation and come back and things are still hot and heavy with people trying to justify sin.

While researching this issue, I ran across an article concerning Samson. I tend to agree wholeheardedly with this response:

excerpt from http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/christians_and_suicide.shtml

That being said, Claudia, sfiC, and HBSMN are not speaking contrary to the Word of God. Suicide is murder.

 

BALONEY, SAMSON ASKED GOD TO LET HIM BE AVENGED FOR THE PLUCKING OUT OF HIS EYES VS. 30 "AND HE BOWED HIMSELF WITH ALL HIS MIGHT"

 

Samson did not commit suicide. He asked God to let him die. God honored that request.

God took his life. He had placed it in His hands. 'Let me die.'

He did not say allow me to kill myself. He prayer for strength, God strengthened him for that purpose... to bring judgment on the Philistines. The Word of God declares this.

 

Why even tell someone it is ok to commit suicide seeing it does not bring Honor and Glory to God?

 

I think the discussion exists for 2 reasons.

#1, for those of us who haven't really been hit by any family member or friend who committed suicide, I see it as more of an academic discussion. I believe a Christian could commit suicide, and I don't believe that any Christian who does gets a one-way ticket to Hell. I would certainly never advise somebody to commit suicide.

#2, for those of us who have been hit by a family member or friend who committed suicide, I think they see it as more than a mere academic discussion. I think they're looking for comfort; for answers; for a kind word; something other than being kept awake at night wondering if their loved one is in Hell. I may be talking out of my hat, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

ccrobinson,
In making the statement that a Christian can commit suicide and not go to hell, you are indeed telling them to commit suicide. One who is contemplating such and reads these posts can say cc says I will not go to hell, all the others say I wlll not go to hell; and they are Christians, so they must be right... I can commit suicide.

You are in a round about way licensing suicide by saying one can commit suicide and not go to hell.

You also are making a statement contrary to the Word of God. For no murderer (suicide is self-murder) has eternal life abiding in him.

 

are you saying that a christian could never murder because if he did then this would prove that he was never a christian? :confused:

 

Only quoting the word of God, don't get mad at me.

 

I am not mad. I only want to hear your opinion about this. Can a born again christian impossibly murder somebody in a short-circuit reaction?

 

That is garbage.

First of all, murder is against another person and is done with premeditated anger and violence. It starts with hate in the heart, as Jesus said. In Ephesians 5:29, Paul says plainly that no man ever hated his own body. Since murder begins with hate and no man ever hated his own body, it is impossible for a person to murder himself. Kill himself, yes, but murder himself, no. That's biblical.

Secondly, saying that killing yourself will not, in and of itself, land you in hell is absolutely NOT the same as advocating suicide. That is absolutely bizarre. It is the same as making the statement that because sin does not land you in hell, you have just been given license to sin. That is also absolute nonsense.

To tell someone (like a child having a temper tantrum), "If you hold your breath until you pass out, it won't kill you," is not telling them to hold their breath that long. It is, rather, passing along some information -- in this case that the parent is not about to panic because the kid won't really hurt himself; automatic reflexes will kick in.

And lastly, suicide is generally the result of desperation, despair, extreme pain, or something similar which is unbalancing the mental facilities.

God knows the heart. HE is the judge, not anyone here on this board.

 

Did Jesus say He will keep us from the hour of temptation? I beleve He did in the word. 1 Corinthians 10:13 clearly states that He will make a way of escape.

Is one guilty if one kills accidentally? No. Not in OT times, nor now. In OT times cities of refuge were set up so the avenger of blood would not kill the one who murdered another accidentally. Same today, God will not hold an accidental murder against another.

 

I am sorry you disagree with the Bible, Helen. The word murderer applies to murderer of self as well as another.