As I see it, Dr. Weymouth didn't appear to believe God's words, either.
To me, his mind failed to conceive of a God who requires eternal conscious torment and suffering for rebellious sinners who hate God and refuse to repent of their gross disobedience.
A gross disobedience that we love to commit ( Romans 1:32, John 3:19-20, Ephesians 4:17-19 ), were it not for God's grace to us as sinners ( Ephesians 2:1-10 ).
I reason that he must have missed Revelation 14, Revelation 19 and Revelation 20 in his reading, much more the belief of what is contained in that reading.
Hobie, man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God ( Luke 4:4 ).
They are all equally important, and all to be believed.
So, I strongly urge you to believe the words for the words' sake, and because they are God's words.
Otherwise, what do we stand on as sinners saved by grace?
Certainly not on anything less than every blessed word.;)
Do the Wicked Perish
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Hobie, May 21, 2020.
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Thank you for a thoughtful reply ,Hobie.
Even our God is a consuming fire!
Deuteronomy 4:24 & Hebrews 12:29
And baptized with the Holy Ghost and fire! Matthew 3:11
Certainly consume and devour and smoke leaves very little if anything at all.
I wonder in the long/short run what the difference is if one has to experience it.
PAIN.
What about these:
Isaiah 65:5 ..."I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose,
a fire that burneth all the day."
Isaiah 66:24 "... for their worm shall not die,
neither shall their fire be quenched;..."
Matthew 3:12 "Whose fan is in his hand,
and he will throughly purge his floor,
and gather his wheat into the garner;
but he will burn up the chaff
with unquenchable fire."
Matthew 18:8 "... to be cast into everlasting fire."
Jude 7 (text shown) "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication,
and going after strange flesh,
are set forth for an example,
suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
How do you explain unquenchable and eternal? -
We did, and I quoted several passages in Revelation.
What does it say?
I showed you, Hobie...
" and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."
Those that will receive the mark of the "beast" and who will worship his image have been made a very terrible promise by the Lord:
The smoke of their torment will rise up forever and ever.
They will have no rest day or night.
They will not be annihilated, will they?
If they were to be annihilated, then their torment would not ascend up forever and ever, nor would they be said to have no rest day or night.
The Bible would very clearly say that they are not tormented, and they are at rest.
Wouldn't it?
But it doesn't.
It says the opposite. :Sneaky
It's not "that simple".
Is there a specific reason that you disagree with God's words?
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so does the op author believe the lost doperish ?
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Perish is the correct word, and since God has the power bring back even the dead, He makes it a eternal death where life ceases to exists for eternity.
per·ish
/ˈperiSH/
verb
verb: perish; 3rd person present: perishes; past tense: perished; past participle: perished; gerund or present participle: perishing
- suffer death, typically in a violent, sudden, or untimely way.
"a great part of his army perished of hunger and disease"
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Similar:
die
lose one's life
be killed
fall
expire
meet one's death
be lost
lay down one's life
breathe one's last
draw one's last breath
pass away
go the way of all flesh
give up the ghost
go to glory
meet one's maker
go to one's last resting place
cross the great divide
bite the dust
kick the bucket
cash in one's chips
croak
flatline
turn up one's toes
shuffle off this mortal coil
go the way of the dinosaurs
conk out
buy it
snuff it
peg out
pop one's clogs
hop the twig/stick
bite the big one
buy the farm
check out
hand in one's dinner pail
go bung
exit
decease
depart this life
- suffer complete ruin or destruction.
"the old regime had to perish"
- suffer complete ruin or destruction.
- suffer death, typically in a violent, sudden, or untimely way.
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