The way I explain it we are not saved BY good works but rather we are saved FOR good works.
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18A good tree cannot bring forth bad {evil} fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
The MAT 25 passage refers to the sheep and the goats, the language used in the New Testament to refer to the saved and the damned.
MAT 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Everlasting punishment obviously refers to Hell and life eternal obviously refers to Heaven. There's nothing here that refers to the tribulation. This is the Final judgement.
Do you believe in God? Then you have a moral duty to fight climate change, writes Jim Antal
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by I Love An Atheist, Apr 18, 2018.
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This is how the Social Gospel is defined in Wikipedia. Tell me if you agree or disagree. If you disagree, then explain how you define it -- and why you define a historical term in your own idiosyncratic way, while expecting others to understand what you mean by it, without clarifying your own interpretation.
And then if this Social Gospel is what you wish to discuss, perhaps you can start a new thread about it.
Or say how your idea of Social Gospel supports your arguments about our duty to God to fight Climate Change the way the U.N. tells us we must.
"The Social Gospel was a movement in North American Protestantism which applied Christian ethics to social problems, especially issues of social justice such as economic inequality, poverty, alcoholism, crime, racial tensions, slums, unclean environment, child labor, inadequate labor unions, poor schools, and the danger of war. It was most prominent in the early-20th-century United States and Canada. Theologically, the Social Gospellers sought to operationalize the Lord's Prayer (Matthew 6:10): "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven".[1] They typically were post-millennialist; that is, they believed the Second Coming could not happen until humankind rid itself of social evils by human effort.[2]" -
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So one would be for say transgender/Gay/Lesbians "rights" in this example, even though scriptures are not for it!
Social Gospel does not see jesus as Divine Savor usually either, as sin id basically not doing good to/for others! -
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I think the idea of the perfectibility of human nature is a new version of the serpent's lie to Eve that she could become as God.
Social Gospel while it was young managed to accomplish some worthwhile social reforms, but the seeds were always there for it to become increasingly apostate. Now the daughters and granddaughters of the Social Gospel are blatantly apostate in my opinion.
If you believe it, then you don't need church, because church is redundant. All you need to do is to support the Left, and those who oppose the Left are the Devil standing in the way of perfecting human nature and human society. -
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Money, money, money.
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A social gospel is salvation by works.
Social gospel is also based in envy.
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[Mat 25:41-46 KJV] 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. -
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I believe whatever bad that happens to earth is part of God's judgement. Look at all the havoc unleashed on earth in Revelation. Also ““Immediately after the suffering of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven will be shaken.” (Matthew 24:29) (NET)
So I think our main concern is not to rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic, but to point the way to the lifeboats. -
The problem is that you already gave at the church and he didn't. It's a known fact that liberals give less than conservatives. Most of them give either nothing or almost nothing. So, since the government has his money, he wants them to take more of yours and expects it to take care of all those that have needs for him and you.
The message is: Don't give so much to your local church, you dope.
Give it to the government. If you don't they should just take it.
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