I see your point regarding "futurism" and dispensationalism. However, while all futurist views are not dispensationalist, all dispensationalists are futurists. That prophecy from Isaiah 19 was fulfilled in Isaiah 20:1-6.
Each Eschatological view.
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George Antonios Well-Known Member
The Lord also oft spoke of the physical aspect.
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But I'm futurist for the simple & obvious reason that the prophesied eschatological events haven't yet occurred. -
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2 Peter 3:8 tells us that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and vice versa. Common sense tells us this is not a literal statement. It simply describes time from God's perspective. Technically speaking, I believe one could be pre-millennial and still not believe in a literal 1,000 years. The point is the events, not the specific length of time. -
If I may ask, have you ever been a Dispensationalist? If so, what convinced you of its errors? Did your church push any particular view, or have your views come as a result of a lot of personal study? -
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"Dispensationalism", which is what I was taught growing up in IFB and IB circles, is said to have ( largely ) been developed by John Nelson Darby around 1830.
It has been popularized in the Western churches from about the last 150 years or so through men like C.I. Scofield and Harry Ironside.
Based on what I was taught, it takes all the Scriptural passages regarding the end times and lays them out flat...
with a "pre-Tribulational" ( at the very beginning of the 70th "week" of Daniel ) catching away of all of God's saints,
followed by a 7 year period ( half of it peaceful, the last half progressively bad to the point of exceedingly harsh ) of rule by Anti-Christ, who will persecute those who come to Christ during that time period ( while the rest are with the Lord in Heaven ),
followed by the Lord touching down on the Mount of Olives at the end, casting the beast ( Anti-Christ ) and the false prophet into Hell and Satan into chains and ruling from Jerusalem for a literal 1,000 years.
But the millennial view has been around a lot longer than Darby's version of it, which makes the Lord essentially "return" twice...
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2 Peter 3:7-13 is a telescopic view. As also John 5 - John 6 of Revelation 20 - Revelation 21. Revelation is giving details. John 6:44, ". . . and I will raise him up at the last day. . . ."
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but yes, I was taught that view growing up in Independent Baptist churches from the day that I first heard the word of God and believed it in 1978.
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Some prophecies are distant, others are details. Two detail prophecies are like mountains. Looking from distance they seem together. Two resurrections, first separates the second by the millennium and after the second, the Judgment after it the final New Heaven and New Earth.
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“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28–29) -
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help a brother out, will ya? scripture reference and the context you understand it to be ... obviously we know the outcome (stated above 957 times this week) ... but how do you arrive at this?
I'm willing to be corrected. I'd also accepted a pre-trib church rapture & "immanence" of Jesus' Return for most of my born again life because that is what I was taught.
Where does Jesus say there is no 1000 year period after His Return ... between His Return/Wrath of The Lamb and the eternal "dispatching" of Satan/New Jerusalem (Creation)
I know Jesus said "I've told you all things in advance" ... so that day will not over take you. What day? His Return ... but John clearly indicates there is a period (1000 years ... or, as you say, a really long time/lotta years) Christ reigns on His earth in post-Armaggedon before the New Jerusalem "I make all things new." -
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