eeeks, Paul Crouch..

Old Regular! Man, listen! I apologize to you publically---I didn't mean to make it sound like you believed that a "pin prick" from Jesus and a little bleeding would have "covered" our sins---you've got to believe me when I say that my statement came out all wrong---and it sounded like I was implying that that is what you believed---so will you forgive me and lets go on??

Your buddy,

Blackbird

 

Lady Eagle

I made the following response to your remarks about MacArthur.

"Regarding your post about remarks attributed to John MacArthur. Suppose Jesus Christ had pricked his finger and shed some blood. Would that have provided for the remission of our sins?"

I was trying to make the point that the quotation from Hebrews, a reference to the temple sacrifices and ultimately to Genesis 3:15, implied the death of the sacrifice, not just the shedding of blood, the pricking of a finger. Therefore, it was not simply the shedding of Jesus Christ's blood that saved us but His death. Scripture tells us:

John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;[/]b

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

It would seem therefore that Bob Jones jumped the gun in calling MacArthur a heretic.

Whether I accept the doctrinal statement of the WOF is irrelevant. It is evident from the recorded teachings of the word faith leaders [Copelands, Crouches, Hinn, Price, Tilton, Avanzini, Osteen, Osborne, Hickey, Savelle, Cerullo, and the Roberts] that they do not accept the doctrinal statement. I cannot speak about the people who adhere to word faith other than to say that I do not doubt that many of them are Christians.

 

Praise the Lord!

(Dancing now in joy... )

 

Well, out of fear of Lady Eagle who said "And quit picking on my buddy, blackbird!" and in response to your remarks there is nothing to forgive and we will move on.

I have attempted to explain to Lady Eagle the point I was trying to make about the pin prick. I hope I was not being sacrilegious when I talked about a "Pin Prick" in relation to Jesus Christ. i know I cannot comprehend in this life the depth of His love and sacrifice, not only in His death but in His incarnation, but I try.

 

Well out of fear of Lady Eagle who told me "And quit picking on my buddy, blackbird!" and your gracious remarks above there is nothing to forgive and we will move on.

I have tried to explain to Lady Eagle the point I was trying to make in reference to the "Pin Prick". I just hope that I was not being sacrilegious in my use of "Pin Prick" in reference to Jesus Christ. That certainly was not my intention. I know that in this life I will never be able to fully comprehend the depth of the love of Jesus Christ and of His sacrifice, not only in His death but also in His incarnation when He left the portals of glory to live among sinful man.

 

Praise the Lord!

(Dancing now in joy... ) </font>[/QUOTE]Bless your little pea pikin heart!

 

Would you be okay hearing your preacher say:
1. Jesus did not become Christ until he was baptized
2. God is 9 persons, not 3
3. God has a body
4. Jesus did not atone for sins on the cross but had to go to hell to fight Satan for 3 days
5. Jesus took on a sin nature and was a "lowly worm" in hell

Is this the Jesus of the Bible? Is this the Jesus you believe in?

It is not the Jesus of the Bible and it is not the Jesus who saved me.

The WF hersies are not subtle; they are blatant. This is not even including the other teachings that faith is a force we use to get God to give us what is rightfully ours.

 

"T B N" = The Blasphemy Network

 

I went to Tulsa Ok. (as a 'tongue in cheek',Baptist born, Baptist bred, Baptist when I'm dead preacher) to help out a pastor (word/faith movement) who was standing on principle, (religious liberty issue) and had the backbone to stand for what he believed in and a district court judge threw him in jail. To make a long story short, he stood, we helped and the Lord won the victory. He was a little name preacher if you know what I mean. Little church, old neighborhood and no money in the church coffers. When we went to the big boys on the block, Copeland and all the rest of those birds in Tulsa and the surrounding area, they wouldn't lift a finger to help the guy. They were great friends who believed much different but I would like to say I do not regret helping that little church. I stayed in Tulsa 12 weeks with about 10-20 other Baptist Preachers. They are totally wrong in doctrine, as I witnessed with my own eyes but I loved them all the same.
Thanks -------Bart

 

Bart, you did the right thing. When someone need help, we shouldn't be giving them a litmus test. In scripture, when Jesus gave a helping hand, it never came with a pre-approval questionnaire in it.

 

Johnv is right! Good for you, Bart! You did do the right thing and you've set a Christ-like example for all of us.

 

What Bart did is not the same as endorsing the WF teachings. In fact, he pointed out how the other WF people in the area did nothing to help this guy.

 

Which of the WOF International teachings as posted on their web site and which I've cut and pasted on this thread for the whole world to see do you not endorse? I'm not asking about some of the teachers, I'm asking about the Doctrinal Statement they have listed on their web site.

 

LE---ummmmmmmm---will you post those teachings again---I can't find the place where you posted the first time!!

 

Source [/QB][/QUOTE]

 

Unfortunately, you cannot go by the Statement of Faith. You can't stop there - you have to check out their tapes, books, and tv shows. It has been documented, over and over! I have a book full of quotes from WF teachers, each quote documented.

I have also heard many of them teach the things that I have posted.

This is not obscure or new information. The way I found out about WF was because I heard Kenneth Hagin on the radio, when I had been a believer for only a few weeks, say that if you think you won't get sick, then you won't. This is straight from the New Thought Movement.

 

Continued from same link...

 

And

Some of the quotes on this page can be heard with RealPlayer.

 

More from the same link:

These quotes are not even half of the quotes on this one page.