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Foxe's Book of Martyrs Updated

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Martin, Jul 6, 2006.

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  1. Martin

    Martin Active Member

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    #1 Martin, Jul 6, 2006
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    yes it does make a very valid point about the modern church
     
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    Ditto.

    I hope there's a story or two about auditorium thermostats.
     
    #3 Pipedude, Jul 6, 2006
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    Now that was funny, "Lord, somebody keyed my Lexus". What a prayer.
     
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  5. Tom Butler

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    Some of you know about Sacred Sandwich, but obviously not everybody. Should I spoil the fun?
     
    #5 Tom Butler, Jul 7, 2006
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    sure. i want to know. now you've got me curious Tom...
     
    #6 gekko, Jul 7, 2006
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    Yes, do tell!
     
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    Looks to be a site similar to Landover Baptist Church.com. Just totally disrespecting christianity as society goes to hell.
     
    #8 Soulman, Jul 8, 2006
  9. Tom Butler

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    The ad linked in Martin's OP is a joke. Sacred Sandwich is a satire site. But it's a lot gentler than the Landover Baptist Church site, which is a slash-and-burn satire, which regularly steps over the line of any semblance of good taste..

    Not everything is satire at Sacred Sandwich. For example, this article by the Bohemian Baptist:

    http://www.sacredsandwich.com/bohemianlarryking.htm

    Can't remember who posted this link, but I can't find any satire there.
     
    #9 Tom Butler, Jul 8, 2006
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    :)

    The martyr complex is pretty rampant among Christians in North America.

    The Sacred sandwich looks like a pretty good parody site. You gotta be able to laugh at yourself once in a while.
     
    #10 Gold Dragon, Jul 8, 2006
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    Amen, agreed.
     
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  12. Martin

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    ==I respect your view but I totally disagree with you. If you look deep enough into the website you will find a very serious statement. What is that? Modern evangelical Christianity goes off path way too much and way too easily. Look at the Foxe's Book of Martyrs ad again. What is the point? Modern evangelicals claim to be persecuted when someone says something bad about them. Such claims, of course, look very silly in the light of actual persecution of Christians in the past and and even in the present. The site does not make fun of Biblical Christianity, it does make fun of American, evangelical, feel-good "christianity" that is promoted by people like Osteen, Warren, Dobson, Schuller, Jakes, TBN, Hinn, and Myers. The site has a very serious message that it dresses up in joke format.
     
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    Was curious so looked to see who owned it. The domain is registered via proxy. Color me suspicious.
     
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  14. Gold Dragon

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    Here is their disclaimer linked from their introduction page. I think the writer(s) of these articles are pretty sharp minds with a good grasp of where North American Christianity is today as well as humour to address some pretty serious topics.
     
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    The Mission of the Sacred Sandwich...

    They also say...


    O yes, the Sacred Sandwich is a parody website but it's message is vital for today's popular evangelical church. I enjoy their humor even though I understand the serious message/warning they are putting out. It is a message/warning that is heavy on my heart as I look at the modern evangelical church.​


    There are two quotes from the great C. H. SPURGEON that I really think hit the nail on the head...​


    "A Christian minister must expect to lose his repute among men; he must be willing to suffer every reproach for Christ's sake; but, then, he may rest assured that he will never lose his real honour if it be risked for the truth's sake, and placed in the Redeemer's hand. The day shall declare the excellence of the upright, for it will reveal all that was hidden, and bring to the light that which was concealed.... I would sooner risk my soul on all the difficulties of the old theology, so long tried and proved, than on all the beauties of the novel doctrine taught by so many nowadays."

    O, if we only had more solid Christian men like Spurgeon today! Men in the pulpits of our churches, in the seminary classrooms, in the Sunday School classrooms, in our homes and places of employment. Men who are not "caught up" in every new doctrine, teaching, or popular way of doing things. Men who have as their main concern the teaching of God's Word. O, how the modern evangelical church suffers because of the lack of such men (and women). The modern church leans too heavily on the psychology of James Dobson and the feel good "religion" of Joel Osteen. What happen to the days of CH Spurgeon? We need more John MacArthurs, more RC Sprouls, more men who are not afraid or ashamed of the Biblical gospel message.

    That is the basic message of the Sacred Sandwich. They use parody to show the unBiblical shallowness of much of the modern evangelical culture. I actually like parody because I find that it really stings when it hits home.​


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  16. Tom Butler

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    When I called Sacred Sandwich a satire site, it was not criticizing them, just helping people to understand exactly what it was. As a matter of fact, I really enjoy the site and look forward to the updates.

    I could even live with the Landover Baptist Church site because some of their stuff is hilarious. But it publishes letters from surfers that are raw and uncensored. I'm talking really uncensored and really raw. And while Sacred Sandwich has an edge to it, it never crosses the line into toilet taste.

    There are a few others out there as well that you ought to check out.

    http://www.larknews.com/

    An excerpt from their site:
    MONTEREY, Calif. — First Nazarene Church used to start Sunday services with announcements and a generic welcome from the associate pastor. Now service starts with whirling spotlights, stadium music and a cougar mascot bounding down the center aisle slapping high fives and making "raise the roof" gestures.
    "Adding Christian Cougar was a great move for us," says the pastor. "No one calls our church boring anymore."



    http://www.gamalielsdesk.blogspot.com/
    I wish they'd update this site more often. It's from the point of view of a Pharisee who is heavy into legalism.
     
    #16 Tom Butler, Jul 8, 2006
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    I agree 100% - nothing whatever like the Landover site. The satire here is brilliant, pointed, though provoking, and needed.

    One of the most powerful sites I have seen for causing us to stop and consider the modern marketing of the "post -modern church" and the dangers in doing so.
     
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  18. Gold Dragon

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    Excellent points.

    I would consider modern marketing in churches to be more of a product of modernistic churches which is epitomized by the megachurch model and the Saddleback/Willowcreek stuff.

    I consider much of postmodern Christianity to be in some ways a reaction against the corporate marketization of church by modernist Christianity.

    I am a user and supporter of some of the things that both Saddleback and Willowcreek produces. I don't have a probem with megachurches per se or attempts by churches to be more effective at fulfilling God's calling for the church by using modern marketing techniques. I also consider myself to be a supporter of the postmodern emergent church movement and its ability to be honest about how Christianity can be real and authentic in today's culture to reach out to the lost postmodern generation.

    But the Sacred Sandwich is a great commentary of some of the weaknesses of both those movements within Christianity and does so in a witty and thought provoking style. I really appreciate it.
     
    #18 Gold Dragon, Jul 9, 2006
  19. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Amen Dragon,

    While it is obvious our opinions differ, it is good to read your balanced perspective on the site.
     
    #19 NaasPreacher (C4K), Jul 9, 2006
  20. Gold Dragon

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    Thanks. That means a lot coming from the moderator I respect most around these parts. :thumbs:
     
    #20 Gold Dragon, Jul 9, 2006
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