This is a basic doctrine of historic Calvinism. It is under the heading of Supralapsarianism or Infralapsarianism. I teach the Infralapsarian view. But unless you believe in Limited Atonement, you will never see any value in it. Most of the Reformed and early Baptists creeds are Infralapsarian. But you will need to study to uncover this treasure.
Even still, it leaves you void on any answer as to why God saved you. Still unanswered.
God is absolute.
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by 37818, Dec 8, 2021.
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If you do not think God arbitrarily chose to glorify His mercy in you, what is the reason He saved you?
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If you cannot, you must apologize for deliberately misrepresenting your belief as being “precious” or “held dear” by Protestants if you would demonstrate Christian humility and honesty.
None of the views you mention, as far as I can tell, have God acting arbitrarily in His election to salvation or damnation.
Your beliefs are unbiblical. If you are teaching this unbiblical nonsense, I pity your students.
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But Calvinism and it's daughters (Arminianism and Amyraldianism) are built on error. Calvinism is a philosophy that destroys the biblical concept of the Cross. Thankfully the gospel of Christ shines through. -
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But I believe you are right that most do not care to look at what they believe carefully, much less have others put their beliefs under a microscope.
I noticed this decades ago. It is one reason I changed my path in college. People just did not like the question "but why?"....or I guess maybe I asked it too much. Either way, they had no legitimate answer. I often find the same true today. -
So, your one attempt to quote a source to support your belief that God acts arbitrarily has failed.
I call on you to repent of your false assertion that this belief is “precious” and “held dear” among Protestant churches.
Your honor as a Christian is at stake. If you have God Holy Spirit indwelling, I believe you admit the error and apologize.
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London Baptist Confession 1689, Chapter III; GOD’S DECREE
3:1 From all eternity God decreed everything that occurs, without reference to anything outside Himself.1 He did this by the perfectly wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably. Yet God did this in such a way that He is neither the author of sin nor has fellowship with any in their sin.2 This decree does not violate the will of the creature or take away the free working or contingency of second causes. On the contrary, these are established by God’s decree.3 In this decree God’s wisdom is displayed in directing all things, and His power and faithfulness are demonstrated in accomplishing His decree.4
3:2 God knows everything that could happen under any given conditions.5 However, His decree of anything is not based on foreseeing it in the future or foreseeing that it would occur under such conditions.6
3:3 By God’s decree, and for the demonstration of His glory, some human beings and angels are predestined (or foreordained) to eternal life through Jesus Christ,7 to the praise of His glorious grace.8 Others are left to live in their sin, leading to their just condemnation, to the praise of His glorious justice.9
3:4 These predestined and foreordained angels and people are individually and unchangeably designated, and their number is so certain and definite that it cannot be either increased or decreased.10
3:5 Those people who are predestined to life were chosen by God before the foundation of the world, according to His eternal and unchangeable purpose and the secret counsel and good pleasure of His will. He chose them in Christ for eternal glory, purely as a result of His free grace and love,11 without anything else about them serving as a condition or cause moving Him to do so.12
3:6 Just as God has appointed the elect to glory, so He has by the eternal and completely free purpose of His will foreordained all the means.13 Therefore, those who are elected, being fallen in Adam, are redeemed by Christ14 and effectually called to faith in Christ by His Spirit working at the appropriate time. They are justified, adopted, sanctified,15 and kept by His power through faith to salvation.16 None but the elect are redeemed by Christ, or effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved.17
3:7 The doctrine of the high mystery of predestination is to be handled with special prudence and care so that those heeding the will of God revealed in His Word and obeying Him may be assured of their eternal election by the certainty of their effectual calling.18 In this way this doctrine will give reasons for praise,19 reverence, and admiration of God, as well as humility,20 diligence and rich comfort to all who sincerely obey the gospel.21
Reeves, S. (2012). Confessing the Faith: The 1689 Baptist Confession for the 21st Century (pp. 16–17). Cape Coral, FL: Founders Press. -
Your attempt to validate your unbiblical belief that God acts arbitrarily by slandering the authors of the 1689 confession has failed. Your attempt to quote even one biblical scholar to support your belief God acts arbitrarily has failed.
I call on you to repent of your unfounded assertion that Protestants held this unbiblical belief that God acts arbitrarily to be “precious” and “dear”.
If you have God Holy Spirit indwelling, He must be grieved by your continuous, unbiblical assertion that God acts arbitrarily in salvation and damnation. Having, therefore, grieved the Holy Spirit, you should repent and ask God for forgiveness, lest He smote you for your continuous rebellion.
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