Song leader for 35 years in my PB Church San Diego, until too many deaths caused disbandment... We all had songbooks so lining a hymn wasn't necessary and we all sang acapella... Went to one singing school a while back and discovered I wasn't as great as I thought I was but didn't deter me from my congregational leading activities... Then there was rlvaughn a member of the past that got serious with acapella, he sang Sacred Harp also called fasola or shape note... Also like to go on a website where they have all the old hymns acapella... Don't like to get away from my roots!... Brother Glen:)
Has Fundamentalism Died?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Deacon, Apr 23, 2024.
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tyndale1946 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Originally the Fundamental Baptist Forum was formed to make a place for those that interpreted the Bible literally.
Early on I was kicked off the board for a week or two for suggesting that humans and dinosaurs did not co-exist.
I've rarely visited the Fundamental Forum since.
Is the Forum important for Fundamentalist now?
Is it helpful?
Does it serve a purpose?
If so, describe why and give concrete examples.
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From the internetFrom IFB Doctrine: The Baptist Distinctives | Spiritual Abuse Blogs
In Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Churches, the Bible is the foundation, and from this foundation comes the framework known as the Baptist Distinctives. In Christian academies, Sunday schools and Bible colleges, these distinctives are taught with little variation using what is known as the “Baptist Acrostic”:
- Bible as Sole Authority of Faith and Practice
- Autonomy of the Local Church
- Priesthood of Every Believer
- Two Church Ordinances: Baptism and Lord’s Supper
- Individual Soul Liberty
- Saved Church Membership
- Two Church Offices: Pastor and Deacons
- Separation of Church and State
Individual Soul Liberty
Each person has the opportunity and responsibility to accept Christ as Savior for himself.
“For as it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God” (Romans 14:11-12).
Thus actual Baptist Fundamentalists reject Calvinism
Many Baptist churches today would consider Pastor to be one of its "Elder" leaders.
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But these are not Fundamental Distictives, they are called Baptist Distinctives (even so, not every Baptist church confesses them).
Fundamental Baptists teach them, but that is not what makes them fundamental.
While those distinctive are foundational to Baptists those same distinctive exist in non-fundamental Baptist churches.
I’ve personally have been a member of two non-fundamental churches that instructed new members about these doctrinal distictives.
Perhaps Fundamentalism has died because no one really knows what it is or how it’s defined
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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The core was battling against its own.
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I mean, you talk about KJV only. In my church it was unacceptable to have a New Scofield reference bible instead of the Old Scofield. And my pastor one time told me in a moment of feeling really charitable and open minded that he thought it was quite possible that people who believed in a mid-trib rapture might also me truly saved. -
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"The Solid Rock" that went like this:
My hope is built on nothing less,
Than Scofield's notes and Moody Press.
By the way, if you're a Spurgeon fan, the first I ever heard of Spurgeon was when I asked my fundamentalist pastor who the bearded guy was on the cover of the Sword of the Lord issue. They used to print an old classic sermon with each issue. The pastor said, "That's Spurgeon, he's sort of a Calvinist, but he's OK". -
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Several attempts have been made to add to "fundamentalism" extra biblical doctrines.
For example, KJV onlyism. But here is the reality,
. A significant percentage of the movement continued to use the King James Version of the Bible exclusively, though other translations—especially the New International Version, the New American Standard Bible, and the English Standard Version—were common in some churches.
Another attempt is to add the biblical sounding doctrine of "Atonement." However since the term was not defined, the idea might be Calvinism's "limited atonement" rather than Christ's sacrifice provides the means of reconciliation for the whole of humanity.
Here again are the Baptist fundamental beliefs:
- Bible as Sole Authority of Faith and Practice
- Autonomy of the Local Church
- Priesthood of Every Believer
- Two Church Ordinances: Baptism and Lord’s Supper
- Individual Soul Liberty
- Saved Church Membership
- Two Church Offices: Pastor and Deacons
- Separation of Church and State
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Revivalistic, separatist Fundamentalism is alive and well in hundreds, maybe thousands, of churches around the world. I have preached in many of them in several countries.
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
"Exclusive use of King James Version." Nope. To this day there are fundamentalist churches that do not use the KJV. For example, in Japan where I was for 33 years we did not have the KJV (it's English, you know ;)) or even a TR based Japanese NT.
"Rejection of all Calvinism." Not strictly true, since Presbyterians were among the early Fundamentalists (Machen, etc.), and even today the Bible Presbyterians (started by Carl McIntyre) are fundamentalists.
"Abstaining from all alcoholic beverages." Mostly true.
"Separation from other denominations." No, but separation from liberalism. Sometimes the early fundamentalists stayed in their denominations, fighting the liberalism from within.
Aggressive soul winning." I agree.
"Dispensational and pre-Trib rapture teaching." Not always. Some of the leading fundamentalists of the past were not Dispensationalists. John R. Rice is one example. -
My sector of Fundamentalism (aka Historic Northern Baptist/NorCal FBFI) is alive and muddling along nicely, thank you very much. We are not KJVO. Nor are we Mr. Hyles' disciples.
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