How Many Husbands?

No. Fornication doesn't have to include a married person. Adultery does.

 

So the woman at the well was just some perfectly innocent woman who wasn't living in sin? I think you're grabbing at straws Gershom!

Fornication is SIN

Adultery is SIN

Divorce is SIN

 

Didn't say that. But I surely wouldn't charge her guilty without the facts as some so commonly do. Talk about "grabbing at straws"!

Yup. But you can't prove this against the Samaritan woman.

Yup. But you can't prove this against the Samaritan woman.

Not in every case. Why would Jesus allow it if it was sin? You probably mean sin leads to divorce.

 

There is only ONE reason for divorce and that is a continued, lifestyle of adultery without repentance. Jesus said to forgive the brother who sins against us 70 X 7 and that includes our spouse.

 

Jesus didn't say anything about a "continued lifestyle of adultery without repentance." You are adding to Scripture. Whether once or a thousand times it is grounds for divorce.

 

Jesus said for forgive 70 X 7.... What if God only forgave us for each sin once?

 

Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, 'I repent,' you shall forgive him."

No sins are listed in a disclaimer here.

Re 2:21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. (Just an example of God's forgiveness toward His bride)

 

Matt. 18:21b 'You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?' 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. 35 So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses."

 

That's all good and well, but the truth of the matter is that Jesus did not say a "continued lifestyle of adultery without repentance." It is completely permissible for a spouse to divorce for the cause of fornication whether once or 700 times.

 

Forgiveness is a wonderful, kind act. But often the consequences remain.

 

Sin always has consequences... ALL sin and all sin is the same.

Forgiveness is not just an act but commanded of us. Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us...

Mark 11:25 "And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses"

 

You just used the word fornication instead of adultery. Read back a couple of pages and make up your mind.

But that spouse is commanded to forgive if their brother repents. There is no need for divorce if forgiveness has been granted as God commanded.

You will NEVER get me to agree that divorce is the answer so we're wasting bandspace.

 

Like I said, that's wonderful. But sin doesn't always come without penalty. Whether you admit it or not (doesn't matter) Jesus never said what you are insinuating, i.e., divorce only after repeated adultery. That is your opinion and it is not right to hold others to your opinion as if it is gospel.

My mind is made up. Fornication and adultery are not necessarily one and the same.

See my reply above.

It may not be YOUR answer, but for some it is. And a biblical answer at that. JESUS confirms it and that's what matters, not man's opinion.

 

And so those people can ignore God's command to forgive those who ask for our forgiveness?

You said: That's all good and well, but the truth of the matter is that Jesus did not say a "continued lifestyle of adultery without repentance." It is completely permissible for a spouse to divorce for the cause of fornication whether once or 700 times.

Didn't you mean adultery?

 

The course of my actions can be forgiven, but that does not mean the consequences are erased, in this case, divorce. Tough pill to swallow, but such is the case.

Fornication: consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other. (could be two single people or a married person with another person who may or may not be married)

Adultery: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband (one or both in the act is married)

 

Psalm 103:8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, Slow to anger, and abounding in mercy. 9 He will not always strive with us, Nor will He keep His anger forever. 10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins, Nor punished us according to our iniquities. 11 For as the heavens are high above the earth, So great is His mercy toward those who fear Him; 12 As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us. 13 As a father pities his children, So the Lord pities those who fear Him. 14 For He knows our frame; He remembers that we are dust. 15 As for man, his days are like grass; As a flower of the field, so he flourishes. 16 For the wind passes over it, and it is gone, And its place remembers it no more. 17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting On those who fear Him, And His righteousness to children's children, 18 To such as keep His covenant, And to those who remember His commandments to do them.

 

Nite nite Gershom. I've enjoyed our discussion.

God Bless you sir,
Diane

 

Diane,

Goodnight. God bless you!

Have a blessed day tomorrow.

 

Actually, that is not the case. Jesus stated specifically why Moses gave the commandment regarding divorce: because of the "hardness" of our hearts. I submit, therefore, that hard heartedness is the one true valid reason for divorce. It is the authorization from God Himself in the law of Moses!

It is, of course, a sin to have such a hard heart that divorce becomes a valid option.

Nobody is authorized to sin. In the presence of some continuing sins, divorce may be the lesser of evils.

I don't think it is necessary for both parties to have that hard heart. Regular physical violence from one party against the other, for example, qualifies as being pretty hard hearted, and is sinful enough to justify divorce.

Adultary is regularly the consequence of divorce. If somebody adds water to milk and tries to sell it as regular milk . . . we call that adulterated milk. In the same way, marrying around to multiple partners "adulterates" the family . . . and is to be avoided. When Jesus talked about remarrying constituting adultary, he was not authorizing remarriage in the case of adultary, he was simply describing the facts about what remarrying really is.