In fact, I would go so far as to say it would be against Scripture and by definition sin to delay the baptism.
How soon do you baptize?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salty, Mar 19, 2021.
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Should a person be baptized if they believe they are being obedient to Jesus and that baptism will save them?
Should a child be baptized because their best friend is being baptized?
Let each person be convinced in their own minds.
Thanks for the conversation
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contrast Primitive & 9Marksist, with genuine 1689er & Spurgeon:
Primitive Baptists of the Blue Ridge
"baptism often occurs very late in the life of the Primitive Baptist — perhaps in middle age or even very old age....Some persons have been baptized, ordained as deacons, and then buried in close succession, owing to the late age of baptism."
Ruling by the Elders of Capitol Hill Baptist Church (Mark Dever, headquarters of the 9Marks Center for Church Reform):
"As they assume adult responsibilities (sometime in late high school with driving, employment, non-Christian friends, voting, legality of marriage), then part of this, we would think, would be to declare publicly their allegiance to Christ by baptism....the practice of baptizing pre-teenage children is of recent development (largely early 20th century) and of limited geography (largely limited to the United States, and places where American evangelicals have exercised great influence)."
[last sentence above is a falsehood]
prominent signer of 1689 Confession Benjamin Keach, A Counter-Antidote...Wherein the Baptism of Believers Is Evinced to Be God's Ordinance (1694):
"little Children who do believe in Christ, have an indubitable right to Baptism"
Charles Spurgeon, same, "The Children and Their Hosannas":
"Let the child avow its faith in Christ and, if you have not confessed Him in Baptism, yourself, stand rebuked that a child is ready to obey its Lord while you are not!"
Spurgeon, "High Doctrine and Broad Doctrine":
"The only limit to the way of coming is that they come to Christ....Many young children and young people do this....We have baptized quite a number of boys and girls...I have noticed that there is about the same proportion of very young children as of very old men and women. We have baptized, upon profession of faith, men and women over 80 years of age, about whose conversion we had as firm a conviction as we had about the conversions of the little ones" -
Pastors and other church leaders have that responsibility.
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I've been hesitating to post since I have nothing but anecdotal comments, but here goes...
I've seen several people abandon the faith quickly even after pre-baptismal counselling. I don't envy pastors their responsibility of accepting a candidate.
I was one of those saved at an age younger than I even remember, but waited about a decade to be baptised because of my crippling shyness. I had been offered a private baptism at home when I was about 5 but declined because I knew that it would defeat the object of making a public declaration. In my background, baptism was required for church membership but it was not required for taking communion.
My grandmother was christened a Methodist but her family soon afterwards became founding members of a Baptist church. She never took baptism again because she believed her christening was sufficient. I think opinion is quite variable on this point.
Where I live now, it grieves me that pretty much every Baptist kid goes through the motions of baptismal preparation, baptism and their first communion by the time they reach 16. It has the advantage of catechising them but it leads to a real problem of nominal membership. Most "born again" testimonies I hear take place long after the person was baptised. -
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Again, salvation is not jeopardized either for the candidate or the leaders making the decisions.
If I’m wrong about the issue then I’m sure it won’t be the only issue I fall short on.
Be convinced in your own mind.
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Is that how it’s done at your church?
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Autonomy means that each local Baptist congregation governs itself without any outside human direction, control, or interference. Autonomy, however, is not absolute, and each local Baptist congregation recognizes (in theory, at least) that it is under the control and authority of the Lord Jesus Christ and his teachings in his word. We often express that in our statements of faith with some phrasing like “the holy Scriptures are our only rule of faith and practice.”
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I’m never said we should deny baptism to anyone that’s under conviction of Holy Spirit to be baptized and follows the protocols set by the church for those who are candidates for baptism.
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There is nothing in Scripture that permits a church to tell a person that they are not old enough to be baptized. Period. -
The Christians who are convinced they are following sound biblical teaching in regard to baptism shouldn’t be accused of “sinning”.
You can argue they are wrong without accusing them of sinning, which tends to shut down debate and incite hard feelings.
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We simply disagree on what constitutes a “reasonable delay” and what is prescribed in scripture.
I promise not to accuse you sinning against our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ if you disagree with me.
We both have Christian liberty, scripture, and the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide our decisions.
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