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Per Van's request. I will just offer snips, not entire verses. For the 1984 NIV I will put 84. For the 2011 NIV I will put 11.
1 Timothy 6:2
84 : they are brothers
11 : they are fellow believers
Here is an excellent NT example of thoughtful translation.
This choice expands the message beyond male slave holders, to present the idea we should not use our relationship with our siblings in Christ, for special favor.
My only comment would be to wonder whether this choice is superior to changing "brothers" to "brothers and sisters" when siblings in Christ are in view.
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No, that particular word does not occur in any Bible translation that I am aware of. I thought it would be a catchy header for the intent of this thread.
I'll be citing certain words in several Bible translations and tell you how often they occur.
Humanity
NRSV : 3
NIV : 7
NET : 18
NLT : 19
LEB : 22
CSB : 25
ISV and EXB : 28
CEB : 40
Are you surprised that the NRSV used that word so rarely? Perhaps you were taken by surprise that the NIV uses it infrequently.
Humankind
CSB : 1
EXB and ISV : 3
CEB : 11
NET : 33
NRSV : 57
LEB : 123
Hmmm, the LEB, though considered a conservative translation --leads the pack. And as I've said elsewhere, the NIV doesn't use the word at all.
People
WEB : 1923
NASB : 1983
LEB : 2125
CSB : 2260
ISV : 2571
NET : 2576
NIV : 2690
ESV : 2756
NRSV : 2871
CEB : 3614
NLT : 3649
Perhaps you are surprised that the ESV uses that word even more than the NIV does. Myths be shattered.
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Wow! The ESV said "people".
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Yes, 66 more times than the ESV to be exact.
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1) ESV
: 1622
2) NASB : 1564
3) CSB : 1351
4) LEB : 1164
5) NET : 1142
6) NRSV : 1123
7) CEB : 1119
8) NIV : 1103
9) NLT : 949
Nice that the difference between
#4 (LEB) and # 8 (NIV) is just 61.
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1) ESV : 520
2) NASB : 488
3) CSB : 265
4) LEB : 108
5) NET : 96
6) NIV : 49
7) CEB : 35
8) NRSV : 28
9) NLT : 23
Notice that the difference between #4 (LEB) and #6 (NIV) is only 59.
The difference between #9 (NLT) and #4 (LEB) is just 85.
Yet the span between the LEB and CSB is a lot --157. So there is
a commonality among the translations # 9 and # 4. The differences
are slight.
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1) NASB : 3767
2) ESV : 2913
3) LEB : 2689
4) CSB : 2672
5) NRSV : 2664
6) NET : 2603
7) NIV : 2544
8) CEB : 2449
9) NLT : 2358
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1) NASB : 2103
2) ESV : 1137
3) LEB : 948
4) CSB : 890
5) NRSV : 843
6) NET : 836
7) NIV : 753
8) NLT : 694
9) CEB : 650
You will notice that the difference between #4 (CSB) and #7 (NIV) is 137.
But the difference between the CSB and the NASB is a whopping 1213.
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That makes no sense.
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It's pure math. It's not a matter of opinion.
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The ESV says people 66 more times than the ESV.
Thats not math, thats stupidity.
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1) CSB & ESV : 1
2) NSASB : 4
3) NLT : 12
4) NET : 19
5) NIV : 20
6) LEB : 23
7) NRSV : 73
8) CEB : 84
The LEB is right in the middle with regard to the usage of this term.
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1) NASB : 5724
2) ESV : 5699
3) NRSV : 5673
4) LEB : 5653
5) CSB : 5391
6) NET : 5256
7) CEB : 5171
8) NIV : 4672
9) NLT : 4642
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1) LEB & NASB : 526
2) ESV : 457
3) NRSV : 426
4) CSB : 393
5) NET : 390
6) NIV : 346
7) CEB : 331
8) NLT : 323
The difference between #4 (CSB) and #8 (NLT) is 70.
But the difference between #1 and #4 is 133.
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1) NASB : 11
2) LEB & CSB : 18
3) NET : 18
4) NIV : 49
5) CEB : 53
6) NRSV : 59
7) NLT : 149
The NIV is again right in the middle statistically.
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Only to 'people' from parts of Georgia and Alabama. :)
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Now this word is a hard one to classify. Does a greater usage of the word imply a proclivity to inclusive
language, or something else? I'll just rank them from greater to lesser usage.
1) NRSV : 252
) ESV: 229
3) NASB : 216
4) CSB : 197
5) LEB : 177
6) CEB : 162
7) NIV : 155
8) NET : 91
NLT : 30
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Per Van's request. I will just offer snips, not entire verses. For the 1984 NIV I will put 84. For the 2011 NIV I will put 11.
1 Timothy 6:2
84 : they are brothers
11 : they are fellow believers
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Here is an excellent NT example of thoughtful translation. This choice expands the message beyond male slave holders, to present the idea we should not use our relationship with our siblings in Christ, for special favor.
My only comment would be to wonder whether this choice is superior to changing "brothers" to "brothers and sisters" when siblings in Christ are in view.
[Post 21 reformatted to correct error]
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1) NIV : 178
2) NET : 181
3) NLT : 187
4) CSB : 206
5) NASB : 283
6) CEB : 284
7) NRSV 299
8) LEB : 322
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1) NLT : 30
2) NASB : 32
3) NIV : 45
4) NET, CSB : 50
5) LEB, NRSV : 63
6) CEB : 74
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1) NLT : 186
2) CEB : 190
3) NET : 197
4) CSB : 199
5) NIV : 210
6) LEB : 222
7) NASB : 223
8) NRSV : 234