Individual Election Revisited

Yeah and the Scriptures don't say what you say they say.

 

Of course not. I did not say that. He chose based on what someone did (believe the gospel) not would do. The choosing is always in time in scriptures. It's just that he knew that person would believe. Nuance.

 

We had a thread about that. Live to fight another day Dave.

 

Except that's not what Scripture states. You read that into it.

 

I will fight for the truth all day every day.

 

I just love it when the reformed turn to the Greek to support their theories, 99% of the time they misunderstand what is said, because they don't themselves know any Greek!

So here we have the Greek verb "προγινώσκω", which is a compound word, from "προ" "γινώσκω", the former meaning "before", and the latter, "to know". This is to have "foreknowledge" of anything that is to happen. I have checked BDAG under "γινώσκω", and cannot find a single instance where they say it means "choose"! What they have done in Romans 8:29, is to apply theology to the actual meaning of the Greek word, which has ZERO to do with any CHOOSING!

So your invitation to "go to the Greek", has backfired! :Roflmao

 

yeah, like the nonsense that you quote in #38! :Laugh

 

"For God SO LOVES the entire human race, that He sent His One and only Son, that whosoever out of this human race, who believes in Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour, will not be lost"

It is because of God's MUCH love for the entire human race, that He sent The Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, to die for ALL of them. However, it is CONDITIONAL to BELIEVING, that any of these can be saved. It is something that they had to DO. This is the plain Gospel Message, and NOT the one as presented by the Reformed/Calvinist.

 

Really? I don't think so! We were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, but we are not saved until we believe.
I think Isaiah 12:1-3 is helpful in understanding this, but if you want to discuss it further, I'm up for that.

 

That is odd. I have read some of Keach's work and regard him as being very orthodox. His Marrow of True Justification is one of the best works on that subject. He was also one of the compilers of the 1689 Baptist Confession which does not support Justification from Eternity.

 

Look at the OP again...
At the very end of the first post, it says, " Based on the valid parts of "A Golden Mine Opened" pp. 169-175, 1694 edition."

If you have the book, read the pages in question, then the contents of the first post.

 

Ah! That might well explain it, though I don't have that particular book.

 

Compare the contents of the first post with this:

An Election of Particular Persons, Benjamin Keach | The Reformed Reader

 

So you do believe in a works based salvation? Noted.

 

It is typical the ones who try to discredit what Scripture plainly teaches. They take Scripture out of context, and they take commentaries out of context.

 

how about responding to your Greek evidence?

 

I already gave Greek evidence. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

 

WOW, just WOW, you cannot even be humble enough to admit that the lexicon and you are 100% WRONG!

 

Because we aren't. I can't believe you are arrogant and stubborn enough to ignore facts.

 

It is VERY CLEAR, that you do NOT know any Greek, other than Strongs, etc. Prove what I have said in # 46 to be wrong. If you cannot, then move on like a man!