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Jesus Paid the Almighty Creditor to Ransom His People

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Aug 28, 2024.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    "The creditor is come to take unto him my two sons to be bondmen."—2 Kings 4:1.

    My soul, how doth this affect thee? Art thou in debt? By nature and by practice thou wast miserably so, unless the debt be cancelled. As a creature, and as a sinful creature, thou art in thyself for ever insolvent. Thou hast nothing to pay, and art shut up in a total impossibility ever to pay. And how much owest thou unto my Lord? Alas, my soul, thou owest millions of debts to thy Almighty Creditor. The law thou hast broken; justice demands retribution; conscience condemns; Satan accuses; and the creditor is come to take not thy two sons only, but both thy two parts, soul and body, to the prison of death and hell, unless some almighty Surety hath stept in and paid the dreadful debt, that thou mayest be free. At death, and at judgment that follows, the everlasting release, or the everlasting imprisonment, will take place. And who knows whether the decision may not be to-morrow? nay, whether the same sentence as went forth to the rich man in the gospel, is not already gone forth concerning thee—" This night thy soul shall be required of thee!" Pause, my soul! Is it not high time to flee to the prophet, even the Prince of the prophets, the Lord Jesus, to tell him thy case, and to seek his deliverance? Hark, doth he say, as the prophet did to the poor woman, "What shall I do for thee? Tell me what hast thou in the house?" Is not Jesus with thee? Is not his fulness suited to thy emptiness? Hast thou him with thee in the house? Shut then the door; bring, bring, my soul, all thy empty vessels - Jesus will fill them all. Nor will his bounty stay until that all thy vessels be filled; nay, every vessel will fail, before that his grace fails. And when thou art full of Jesus, live on Jesus, and see that Jesus hath paid thy Almighty Creditor, and left enough for thee to live on for ever. Oh the rapture and the joy, when the Almighty Creditor comes, at midnight, or at cock-crowing, or in the morning, to know the dreadful debt is paid, and to hear him say, "Deliver him from going down into the pit; I have found a ransom."

    - Robert Hawker, The Poor Man's Morning and Evening Portions, August 28, Morning
     
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    Jesus didn't pay. Jesus received the payment. Romans 6:23, For the wages of sin is death; . . .
     
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    Yet surely Jesus did pay a price to save His people. He redeemed them:

    “being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,” (Ro 3:24 NKJV)

    Redemption means buying back, so paying a price.
     
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    We use "paid the price" to mean "suffered the consequences".

    A man awakes with a hangover, paying the price for a evening of excess. It does not mean an actual price was paid.

    "Redeem" can mean to "buy back". But it also means "to free from harm", "to help overcome something"...among other things.

    The issue with the OP is it presents man being redeemed from God.

    Instead Jesus gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father.
     
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    Does one believe in Christ if the actual redemption is denied? John 19:28, . . . Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, . . .
     
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