John Gerstner's Unbiblical Nonsense!

What does "presence" mean ?

 

like He does everything in the world, as the reformed teach?

 

Ruined.destroyed does NOT mean cease to exist, means existing apart from presence of God!

 

He said "whoever BELIEVES." Again, who does that leave out besides Satan & his demons among whose who DO believe? It tells me that ANY PERSON is eligible to believe & be saved.

 

That's not what Jesus says:
"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." There is no notion of election or effectual call in John 3, nor does God judge people for something over which they have no control.

Paul clearly states that sin does not disable the ability to choose what is good, it disables the ability to perform it (Romans 7:18-25).

 

"Destroyed" means: "Destroyed".
Prove otherwise.

No one has brought up "Cease to exist" except you:
I agree, The Bible says nothing about "Cease to exist".

The Bible does say: "DESTROY".
and "DESTROY" means "DESTROY".

Your move.

 

since the angels are before the Throne of God, day and night, it will be in their "presence" as well. What purpose will it serve to see sinners suffering?

 

Rev. 20:14Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev. 21:8But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Rev. 14:11And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

There's no separate lake of fire for those who dies in sin in the past & those who will in the future.

 

GOD knows; I don't.

 

Never mind, SBG.

 

"All these things were written for our instruction" (Romans 15:4, 1 Corinthians 10:11, Hebrews 4).

The notion that our hearts are either hopelessly under the power of sin or effectually moved to faith and perseverance by God is impossible to reconcile with the clear teaching of passages such as Hebrews 3:12-19.

 

why? I would like to see Scripture for this?

 

Yet another off topic, change the subject post.

Calvinism's view of God is irrational nonsense. They say God does not love the world (humankind) rewriting John 3:16.

I do not think scripture answers the OP question, how could we be happy in heaven with the knowledge our earthly loved ones are in torment in Hades and Gehenna. The best answer is God is just and we would know they received perfect justice.

 

Ok, so since you said Augustine wasn't valid because he was 300 years after the fact, I'm going to ignore most of this post. The ones before Augustine notice they never said all individuals. Human Race does not equal Individuals.

 

Doesn't just say "Whoever" does it?

 

First off, that isn't what I said. I called @SavedByGrace a liar because he has repeatedly told lies about others on this forum. That's calling out his SIN. You can try and twist it how you want but I don't care. He is a liar and has repeatedly done so on this forum and needs to be held accountable.

 

That still doesn't equal all individuals. That's not the question John 3:16 is answering by your own standard. God loved the human race stop. Yes. The human race has nothing to do with individual people. Of that human race, he saves the ones that believe. Yes. What John 3:16 does not answer is who will believe. Only the elect will believe because they are the sheep.

 

Thank you for your opinion. I disagree. By the way you take Matthew 7 out of context.

 

I do nothing of the sort so no shame here.

 

"If?"
That's been answered, SBG.

" Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
4 according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" ( Ephesians 1:3-7 ).

Do you see what I've highlighted and underlined?
I don't have any problem believing the words.

What is it about them that you find objectionable?
I'm simply believing them at face value.

 

:Roflmao