Modernism

I could not continue in fellowship with such church(es).

Bro. Dallas

 

I would agree. Some however will include even further modernistic treads.

Contemporary music
Inclusion of drums in a worship service
Use of any of the modern version bibles
Acceptance of dressing down during services
Open communion
Etc..

I enjoy the “fellowship” of the Baptist Boards because of the opportunity to read opinions and get exposure to the ideas, practices and opinions that are well beyond the limited experiences I have in my community. Acceptance of some different practices and different ideas sometimes helps us grow.

 

In essence I agree. At the same token, I have served as minister in such conventions. My question, Where would the people be to-day had all the conservatives left them without the gospel and the truth of God's word? Where would the Southern Baptist Convention be to-day?

The British Baptist Union was heading into liberalism, but was reclaimed by evangelicals. The Baptist Conventions in Canada has virtually been reclaimed, whilst there are still many liberals also serving. It is not always a black and white issue, and just up an leaving is not always the answer. Liberalism is largely amongst the clergy, not the people. If we leave, we abandon the people. Frankly, I am of two minds on this question.

Cheers,

Jim

 

I am not so sure that is what 2 Cor 6:17 refers , although many quote it that way. I am still concerned about the sheep left behind, and ministry is my first obligation.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Our church is in the process of deciding whether or not to drop support for a native missionary in Haiti. It seems that he has begun accepting support from a member organization of the world council of churches. If after our investigation it turns out to be true we will no doubt cease support. I would not be a member of a church who doesn't have the backbone to stand up for what it believes. Jesus din't join the Pharasees to straighten them out. Paul left them because of their corrupt system. Neither stopped being Jews, but they didn't belong to any heretical groups to "takeback", "takeover", or anything else.

 

What about someone who believes the Bible is the standard of truth except when they know the Bible can't possibly be correct and therefore we merely re-interpret what the Bible says to agree with what we know to be the truth?

 

So, as a Calvinist, I am a modernist. Because my understanding of the Bible differs to Mark's, I am a modernist. If that is so, then I am quite happy to be a modernist.

I like labels on garments that tell me how to clean them, and labels on jars to tell me about the contents, but never did like labels on people.

I remember Billy Graham coming to the Avenue Road Church, where Charles Templeton was pastor, and later A.W. Tozer. Graham was critical of the Anglican minister across the road, until Templeton told him that he was also principal of the most evangelical Bible College in the city. A great lesson was learned. Just because we understand some things differently does not make us a "modernist".

My test of fellowship is on Jesus Christ alone. On reading church history, and all the groups down through the ages, and all the different doctrines that have been espoused, we have relatively few differences to-day.

Standards in Baptist churches have also changed down through the ages. These changes have nothing to do with doctrine, but just the same, changes. We knock the other fellow's doctrines, whilst adapting ourselves to worldly habits. It is something like removing the toothpick from his eyes whilst housing a log in our own.

Cheers,

Jim

 

The problem with this way of thinking is that it fails to (while we are quoting scripture) "see the beam" one's own eye. Do you really think that the way you interpret scripture is exactly the same as a first generation Christian did? Give me a break. We are modernists whether we recognize it or not.

Besides, our culture (and the wider church culture will follow because it always has) is moving past moderninity into a postmodern/postchristian orientation. Will you simply curse the darkness or light a candle for others to see?

Grace and Peace,

Danny

Calvinism is not modernist anymore than having a non-Roman Catholic or Orthodox church. Its wrong for other reasons .

 

Right now when myself thinks of the word modernism I think of some perverted brand of Christianity which has left the old landmarks, chiefly the New Testament as a body of doctrine, and the orthodox interpretation of it as held by e.g. the old Particular Baptists of England and the Old Regular Baptists of USA. An apostasy of NT Gospel order, in brief. My reaction to modernism is and will be Biblical Separation. All claimed manifestations of Christianity, I speak of bodies, such as local churches or denominations so called, which are not biblically separatistic are in error from the NT pattern. One of the best books on separation in general is one by Ernest Pickering, "Biblical Separation". It is also one of the most important books I have ever read so far, and it had some part in my separating from a group of modernistic Baptists in my hometown.

It is kind of funny that the would-be preachers I had listened to until that moment had never ever taught about ecclesiastical separation, although they were Baptists. Separation is one of the hallmarks of Baptists, historically considered. I had to learn the truth about separation from the USA via this book, for which I am thankful to God.

Many modernists vilify such who want to follow the Biblical rule of separation by calling them legalists. Ecclesiastical separation per se is not legalism.

Modernism. No thanks.


Harald

 

You mean the Bible is the standard for truth except when you say it isn't? Doesn't that make you or some other person whose opinion you've adopted the actual standard of truth?

 

GOD said I am the way, the truth and the life no man commeth unto the Father but by Me.


and GOD's word is the way the truth and the life.....


GOD BLESS AMERICA

 

Calvinism a heresy? When you prove it to be irrefutably contrary to scripture, please let the world know. Until then it is only your opinion that it is not a correct interpretation.

Odd that you would bait like this to hijack your own thread.

 

When you are tired of hijacking the calvinists threads, you have to turn somewhere.

 

Modernism basically says that everything must be explainable by naturalistic/materialistic means. Modernists to varying degrees reject the supernatural, the historocity of scripture, and the orthodox doctrine of scripture. They filter what they are willing to believe from the Bible through the philosophy of modernism. What the Bible says must be conformed to 'scientific reality.'

Most modernists will reject a literal interpretation of the first 11 chapters of Genesis as well as many/all of the Bible's miracles. In the extreme, you have the Jesus Seminar. Moderately, you have old earth creationism.