Monergists & Synergists: Divide or Unify?

Yes, you are quite the Apostle. We are all just sitting on the edge of our seats waiting to hear your Divinely inspired thoughts...........oh the pride of Calvinism when fully embraced! How wonderful you must feel, having been called out special to receive such Divine revelations!

 

Here we are again...another episode of....LEAVE IT TO STEAVER:laugh:

Poor little steaver starts with the usual whining and makes an accusation...

Lets see,,,,he says this;

8 or 10 times now...you said I posted the words No Tulip /no sheep

can you show as you claim...word for word where I said this....big boy:laugh:

Or was that your foolish attempt to have me say what I did not say because you were silenced by the thread on Divine Enablement....you mocked it but finally had to admit it was so:laugh:


Yes....leave it to Steaver:wavey:

 

PreachTony

QUOTE]Consider simply the parable of the gates. There is a broad gate that leads to damnation, and many enter in at that gate. There is a narrow gate leading to eternal life that only a few enter in at. This is not to say that the "few" is not a vastly large number[/QUOTE],

Ok we agree there is a large number now....not a select few

I am not certain this teaching is a template for all time ,or if it was addressing the end of the jewish theocracy.

before we go there...lets look at this passage as you state it...many are saved many are lost....

Jesus is teaching, Are you okay with this?

Excuse me...but you are speaking of God more on Human terms. I do not believe God has emotional ups and downs as a man because of His Divine attributes.

 

I thought you would never ask......again......for the 11th time.....

Word for word, quote for quote...Pay specific attention to the bolded parts as not to get sidetracked into a slice and dice episode...which you so often like to try.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2171467&postcount=28

This was just the first post on the subject, you go on to reinforce it as I attempted to teach you and have you walk it back a bit, but you stood firm when questioned. Everyone on the board here sees it and no Cal has stepped up to back you on it, so your kinda making yourself look foolish at this point.

 

Ah brother Icon, Mormons and JW's are not Christians. Thought you knew this........

 

I'm beginning to see a pattern developing here, it's kinda cultish in nature.....just keep repeating something until the subject get's "illuminated"....

Repeat after me....I am a Calvinist....I am a Calvinist....I am a Calvinist....I am a Calvinist....

 

Well, I never seen you disagree with brother Icon's post declaring No belief in TULIP = No sheep. So I would assume you agree with him.

 

I was just having some fun. Relax.

 

I would've figured by now that my comments toward the theology of Calvinism would prove that I am not. I do not think your theology is evil, nor do I think that those who believe it are blind. There is biblical truth to it. Just as there is biblical truth to Arminianism, and Free-Will theology. This is not an endorsement of theological universalism, but rather to make a point that each and every one of us is a sinful, fallible human being trying our best to comprehend the deepest mystery in the universe. We cannot do it in these corruptible bodies. Instead, we come as close as we can and strive to study and meditate on our beliefs and on the scriptures.

Your study and meditation leads to you to believe that Calvinism is the biblical truth. Mine leads me to believe that Free Will is the biblical truth. I can guarantee you when we stand before God and enter into glory we'll be surprised (if it's possible) to see how wrong we both were; how incomplete our assessment of the scriptures actually is.

 

Brother Tony, I don't think your quite getting it yet. A Calvinist believes they are right based on the Holy Spirit causing them to believe they are right. All the Scripture scrutiny really has little to do with it for we all study and want the truth. They believe God must make you believe it, same as being born again. Now, why He does not make all Christians believe it, well, when I asked this question before, brother Icon posted John 10 as the reason. I believe most of the Calvinist here agree with him. So that kinda leaves us out of the kingdom from their perspective.

 

steaver, stop being a drama queen.

Why does not God eliminate all error held by Christians? Once you answer that question you can ask why He has not make all believers Monergists.

As as your being left out of the kingdom, well, the only way that can happen is if you are not a Christrian. Say what you want about brother Icon, but I do not believe he said all Synergists are not Christians.

 

:applause::thumbsup::thumbs::type:

Thanks for that which I bolded. I now have 'drama queen, drama queen, he's a drama queen' a la ABBA running in my head now.

 

I don't want to believe that either, Reformed, but Brother Icon has made statements that those who do not hold to his theology and doctrine are not part of God's sheep. Steaver actually pointed that out, and I've seen Icon say it before. Steaver's quoted post from Brother Icon shows our Calvinist friend even saying it is possible that those who do not believe in the Calvinist doctrine might not be Christians at all.

Look, if you want to believe your doctrine is right and all others are wrong that is you prerogative. But to use such as a basis for calling into question the spiritual standing of fellow BB members is not right in any way.

 

Again......You say......Word for word.....and indeed.....You supply words I did not say.....you cannot show anywhere I posted what words you supply.....11 times......you fail again...lol leave it to steaver....
I did not see you post in the divine enablement thread.....no....not once.....why was that?

Here again I answered your premise...if tulip is so blatantly taught.....
then the foolish portrayal of The Spirit perhaps failing to teach..the sheep.....you got my answer.....but you needed to reword it ......as I did not say your version.....poor steaver...

in any teaching setting.....some get it......some struggle and make progress.....some barely understand.......some cannot get most of it......some do not get it...so they disrupt the class trying to hold back those who are learning.....that is why teachers used to put a dunce cap on that person to warn others of their disruptive ways.
How did it stay on? Was it a really good fit?

 

God's grace is simple. He gave His life for us and required only faith to be saved from destruction. This is biblical grace.

 

PT

Could you show a post where I said that?

It is quite possible that some who do not hold the teaching are unsaved.

it is quite possible some who do hold the teaching are not saved.

Why do you think the warning passages are given?

 

Are you living on the same planet here brother? I gave the exact exchange quote for quote, word for word. Even supplied the link....

You are really making yourself look bad.....

 

Jn 10 teaches that these religious people held falsehoods BECAUSE they were NOT SHEEP....

What does that teach us? WHO MADE THE DIFFERENCE?

Why do the Sheep hear......the goats do not believe.

 

Ok, remember the issue here is TULIP. So are you once again going to go into a John 10 sermon on why all Christians don't believe in TULIP??? Is that what you are going to do again??

 

As steaver pointed out, in Post #28 on "The New Calvinism" thread, you replied to steaver's comment (which may or may not have been facetious) that TULIP is blatantly revealed in scripture. Steaver claimed that the Spirit may/may not have failed at revealing the truth (as you claim to be Calvinism) to the people. Your response was:

Based upon that response, we draw the conclusion that you say Calvinism is the truth, and God reveals the truth to us. If we do not see Calvinism as the truth, then it is because God hasn't shown us. Since the sheep hear His voice, and TULIP is a blatant scriptural truth, then those of us who don't see it are not His sheep.

You can dance around trying to say you did not say that, but we have it in writing. You say very clearly in that response to steaver that those who do not hear His truth are not His sheep.

This could be said for every theological position in history. There are saved and unsaved Arminians. There are saved and unsaved Synergists. There are saved and unsaved Monergists.