Old Testament Kingdom Prophecies. Literally or spiritually understood?

Not according to Revelation 20

 

So you reject the Ecumenical Creeds? This makes you a heretic in their view. Stick with the Scriptures? Why do you reject Jesus' kingdom and side with the Pharisees?

 

This is the problem, isn't it? the Pharisees and forced literalists read scripture like a cookbook. But Scripture is God's spiritual word.

 

Google it and argue with the authors.

 

It doesn't exist in a physical fashion. It is here now but only the born again can see it.

 

No salvation apart from the blood of Christ since the foundation of the world. Are you saying all were lost until Calvary? And God could not be trusted to provide their atonement until then, after it took place?

 

The Ecumenical Creeds and the Pharisees are both deceptive. Your depravity must cause you to think everyone is either one or the other. I would argue that the producers of the Ecumenical Creeds and the Pharisees are cut from the same cloth.

 

what's your basis for claiming this, if the creeds only make clear what the bible says? Did you know all the accepted books on cults say it is disagreeing with the Ecumenical Creeds that makes a cult a cult?

 

A failed physical kingdom, may only see a failed physical fulfillment. They were spiritually blinded themselves. There will soon be a physical kingdom, but only after all eyes are no longer spiritually blind.

 

I'm not part of your "accepted" crowd and never will be. I believe the scriptures.

 

This one is easy. If you believe OT prophesies about Christ's first coming were literal, it would be wholly inconsistent to believe prophesies about his second coming were not.

 

Literal = Phariseeism. DO you think Jesus was wrong when he said the kingdom arrived with him? And think the Pharisees were right?

 

They all say that. But the accepted Christian cult books place you in that category if you reject the Ecumenical Creeds.

 

The Holy Spirit guides me. You though seem to be greatly influenced by men.

 

"Spiritual" does not mean "allegorical."

 

You'll need to quote Jesus direct, so we can talk about exactly what he said. Often prophecies are both futuristic and present, like our adoption. There is a future sense, and a present sense.

There are also prophesies that have not yet been fulfilled, but are spoken about in the past tense. We see this in the OT often.

 

Please give an example of dual fulfillment.

 

Spiritual = Temple not literal. But a symbol of Jesus and the Church where God dwells in the temple made without hands.

 

The Holy Spirit guides me too. In reading not only scripture, but also the works of profound teachers God placed in the church. Every time you make a claim about scripture saying this or that, you have a creed. The historic creeds are based on centuries of debate and challenge that refined them for our sakes.