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"Save Yourselves from This Untoward Generation."

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Jul 19, 2023.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Acts of the Apostles 2:40.

    Some, from a warm zeal for free-will, and a strong opposition to salvation by grace, have been weak enough to cite this passage to prove, that we have a hand in our own salvation; because we are here called upon to save ourselves. They might with equal propriety have inferred, that we are here exhorted to new create ourselves. But there is a sense, in which this exhortation is peculiarly applicable, to every saved sinner, every justified believer in Christ. For the honour and glory of our Saviour, and for the peace and comfort of our souls, let us attend to it. Wisdom informs us, “There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet not washed from their filthiness. O how filthy are their eyes! And their eyelids are lifted up.” (Prov. 30:12,13.) Now these are at enmity against, “That seed that serve the Lord, and which are counted to him for a generation.” (Psalm 22:30.) It was so from the beginning. It is so now. It ever will be so, as long as two seeds or generations are in the earth. Therefore, we are called upon to save ourselves from this generation; for it is untoward. The men of this generation may have extensive imaginations, profound learning, and shining abilities—they may occupy high stations in church and state. Yet they are perverse. They deride the glorious gospel: set at nought the precious Saviour: his perfect atonement, and one righteousness, they see no need of: they ridicule the operations of his Spirit, and call all who pretend to them, enthusiasts. Glad are they, when they can shew the untowardness of their nature, and the vexatious disposition of their spirits against them. From such, O Christian, save yourself. How? Refrain from their company. Despise their deistical notions. Abhor their proud, free-will, self-righteous tenets. Defile not yourself by reading their works. It is like trying the effects of poison upon a healthy body. Separate from them. Come out from amongst them. So shall you save yourselves, from partaking of their evils and judgments. Know his friends, and associate with them. Bless your precious Lord, for saving you from their untoward state, which was of his unmerited mercy and distinguishing grace. O when you read of them, and see them, reflect, such I was once; who made me to differ? Thus you will get good by them, if the reflection tends to sink your soul in humility, and causes you to exalt the riches of God’s grace in Christ Jesus.

    Dangers beset on ev’ry side
    From men profane, and sons of pride:
    O keep me, Lord, by grace divine,
    And make me know I’m ever thine.

    Born from above to walk with thee,
    By faith that I may holy be:
    Then let it be my constant care,
    Of men untoward to beware.

    - William Mason, A Spiritual Treasury For The Children of God, Volume 2, July 19
     
  2. kyredneck

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    It wasn't just 'any ol' generation'. Although what he's drawn from the passage has much truth ,William Mason was not following the first rule of scripture interpretation:

    "The Scriptures are to be taken in the sense attached to them in the age and by the people to whom they were addressed."
     
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    Instead of 'untoward' there are better word choice such as :
    corrupt
    perverse
    crooked
     
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    29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do that which is evil in the sight of Jehovah, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. Dt 31
    5 They have dealt corruptly with him, they are not his children, it is their blemish; They are a perverse and crooked generation.
    20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: For they are a very perverse generation, Children in whom is no faithfulness.
    21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; They have provoked me to anger with their vanities: And I will move them to jealousy with those that are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. Dt 32

    39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given it but the sign of Jonah the prophet:
    41 The men of Nineveh shall stand up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, a greater than Jonah is here.
    42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
    45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more evil than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man becometh worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this evil generation. Mt 12

    33 Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of hell?
    34 Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: some of them shall ye kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city:
    35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.
    36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23

    2 For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
    23 Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people.
    24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
    32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all things be accomplished. Lk 21

    "Save yourselves from this crooked generation" is reiterated here:

    4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come forth, my people, out of her, that ye have no fellowship with her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues:
    5 for her sins have reached even unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
    6 Render unto her even as she rendered, and double unto her the double according to her works: in the cup which she mingled, mingle unto her double.
    24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that have been slain upon the earth. Rev 18
     
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  5. KenH

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    Mankind has been thoroughly corrupt ever since Adam sinned in the Garden of Eden. Has mankind been more outwardly, visibly corrupt at some times compared to others? Yes, e.g., at the time leading up to The Great Flood.
     
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    You think those to whom Peter was addressing understood ‘this generation’ to mean ‘all mankind’?

    "The Scriptures are to be taken in the sense attached to them in the age and by the people to whom they were addressed."
     
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    As the Bible is all about Christ Jesus and His gospel from the first verse of Genesis to the last verse of Revelation, as long as your sentence encompasses that fact, then we are in agreement.
     
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    I guess from that perspective you can totally disregard any significance of 'audience relevance' in the scriptures, and apply anything to anything. Anything goes. Never mind the fact that there's an element of 'reading other people's mail' when you read the Bible.

    I had thought more highly of your biblicism Ken.
     
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    Are you saying that you don't think that the Bible is all about Christ, from first to last, and the redemption He procured for His people?
     
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    Nope. I'm saying 'audience relevance' is essential to correct Bible interpretation. Don't try to twist my words. Again, I had a higher opinion of you than for you to do that.
     
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    I'm sorry. I was not intending to "twist" your words. I was just asking a question. I apologize for botching it so badly.
     
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