Supernatural Worldview

TP · May 16, 2005

Greetings,

What was the understanding of the supernatural world view at the time of Jesus(or I could say, What was the supernatural reality at the time of Jesus).

I know that God is creator of all and lord of all, and that he created everything good. However, when we read the scriptures it seems that Satan has somesort of dominion over the entire world. When he is tempting Jesus, he seems to be able to offer quite a bit, and Jesus does not challenge his ability to do this rather Jesus challenges other things.

It seems that Jesus enters a world controlled by satan. He is the Holy breaking through. He does exorcisms and seems to do battle against satan.

I ask because understanding how everyone understood supernatural power in the world would give theological insight to how Christ's death and resurrection transformed the situation.

Was Satan Totally routed, and now has NO power in the world? Is Satan still in power but Christians filled with the Holy Spirit are in the Kingdom of God within this evil world.

Paul continues to speak of evil, and principalities and the arrows of the devil, but the Spirit through Christ saves and protects us.

How would you describe the supernatural understanding immediately before Jesus, and then after Jesus.

peace

billwald · May 16, 2005

The supernatural view was almost universal until the European Rationalists and the Reformation.

BobRyan · May 20, 2005

It is the same pre and post-cross - except that Satan has been thrown down to earth and is very angry with the Christian followers of Christ.

I saw Satan fall as lightning – God’s people with power over demons pre-cross and post.

Luke 10
17The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."
18And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.
19"Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.
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Rev 12 – The “Accuser of our brethren” has been cast down. Woe to the earth

Rev 12: King of demons

Rev 12
7And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon The dragon and his angels waged war,
8and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.
9And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.
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12"For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time."
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BobRyan · May 20, 2005

Eph 6 “OUR warfare” is against the devil and we stand only by actively taking up the FULL armor of God and engaging him.

Eph 6
The Armor of God
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might.
11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.
12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
13Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
14Stand firm therefore, HAVING GIRDED YOUR LOINS WITH TRUTH, and HAVING PUT ON THE BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS,
15and having shod YOUR FEET WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE;
16in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
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Rev 12 – Continues to wage war against the saints (after the cross even more so)

Rev 12

13And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child.
14But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.
15And the serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, so that he might cause her to be swept away with the flood.
16But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and drank up the river which the dragon poured out of his mouth.
17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
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1 Peter 5 – Go about as a roaring lion –he is our adversary. We must resist the devil

1 Peter 5
8Be of sober spirit, be on the alert Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
9But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.
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James 4 – resist the devil and he will flee from YOU. We are subject to his torment if we do not resis.

James 4
7Submit therefore to God Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
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billwald · May 21, 2005

Do we live in a physical world where we can trust or senses of observation or do we live in a mystical magical world like Amber?

BobRyan · May 22, 2005

Who is Amber?

My view is that God's Word in James 4, Eph 6, 1 Peter 5, Rev 12 --- "is correct".

In Christ,

Bob

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