Sword of the Lord or Sword of Shelton Smith?

"Sad to say the last time I read a Sword- about two years ago-"
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How in the world can you criticize something you haven't read in TWO years? Mercy!

 

Its easy Shiloh. Especially when nothing has changed concerning the content. My Grandfather is 88 yrs old. Been a Fighting Fundamentalist since the early days of Modernism in the 1930's. He still gets the Sword. Has from its inception. He has been a preacher for 65 years. He has stood by the stuff all the way. He just laughs when you mention Shelton Smith. Dr. John R. Rice was 3x's the man Mr. Smith is. Mr. Smith is a legend in his own mind.

 

Your right on Mexdeaf. There have definitly been some extra bibilical things added to fundamentalism since its early days. My Grandfather said in the early days if you were and independent baptist preacher or missionary it was no problem fellowshipping with other IFB pastors etc... Now IFB pastor fellowships and church fellowships are splintered every which way.
Just recently Smith finished up a long series on baptism. I just laugh when I open up an issue and he has printed all the wonderful reviews to "his" series. I mean who does that? It is hilarious!

 

I read it within the last six months and I agree with Mexdeaf. I loved it when I was a teen. But now it is just hyper-fundamentalism.

 

I can't comment on Bro. Shelton, though I've met him and he was gracious. I've been in Japan too long to know what's going on there, and haven't taken the SOTL lately.

Having said that, I'll be reading this thread with interest. In case you haven't read my posts much, I knew Dr. John R. Rice well, rode horses with him, edited several of his books, worked with him, prayed and played with him, and lived with him on occasion. In the past I've corrected slander about Dr. Rice on the Baptist Board and I will do so again if I see it here.

We're headed out with our co-workers for a fun time at Disney Sea in Tokyo, so I'll be offline for awhile. God bless!

 

Let me go back and check......yes, this is the "Fundamental" segment of BB. I would like to make a suggestion. Why don't you people re-name this segment to hyper-liberalism? That would be a lot more accurate.

 

I have had a life time subscription for well over 40 years. I have to say I agree more with John R. Rice than Shelton Smith. So it does not have the same impact that it did in the past. However with that said there are still some good sermons in there and good things in there.I use to read it from front to back now I just pick what I read. So much I read the a few lines and go to something else in there. I know they don't have the subsriptions that it had in the past. So with that said, I would say there base isn't the same as it was under John R. Rice.

 

To equate me with Dr. Smith, I take as a complement, thank you.

 

I thought hyper-liberals were those who denied the word of God, the virgin birth, the deity of Christ, and the like.

 

These people here seem to be kinda mixed up and confused Roger....I guess it's just another sign of the times we live in."Even so,come Lord Jesus"!

Greg Sr.

 

Hyper-liberal? You can't be serious. How is disgareeing with Shelton Smith and SOTL liberal?

 

I think the 21st century definition of hyper-liberal is "anyone who doesn't agree with me."

Have a negative view on Dr Smith does not make one a hyper-liberal, or even a liberal.

 

I think the criticizers of Dr. Smith are closer to being hyper-liberal then he is to being hyper-fundamental.

 

When writing to a carnal and confused church, under inspiration, the Apostle Paul said "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Appollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ...." The Lord goes on to ridicule and belittle the following and worship of men. I call this "ALIGNMENT" for lack of a better term. I was recently on vacation and attended a church which was aligned with HAC. Now, I have friends and have had pastors, and even went to a school which was spawned from HAC (OBC), but this place made me THANKFUL for my home church. It was SICKENING. I believe that there are segments of IFB which LINE UP with certain MEN. That certainly seems to be true of SOTL...it is very sad. Churches are rated on DECISIONS and SIZE more than on what the true spirit and soulwinning zeal of the church is. There are many problems with this ALIGNED thinking which I cannot go into. I am sure Bro Shiloh, that you love the Lord...just be careful to love HIM and not MOVEMENTS...this just breeds hate and ineffectiveness.

By the way, I mean no insult, or injury to you or SOTL, but I quit taking it a long time ago for many of the same reasons mentioned above, and there is NO WAY you could call me a liberal, I assure you. I just choose to line up with the non-aligned. There are too many folks going to hell for me to waste my time on trivialities like going around picking fights and majoring on why I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG...it just gets rediculous.

 

Thanks for the clarification. You have changed from calling critics of Dr Smith hyper-liberals to saying that you think they are closer to hyper-liberals than Dr Smith is to hyper-fundamentalists. I appreciate your courage in restating your view.

Can you show that anyone who has been critical of Dr Smith in the forum comes even close to

Denying the deity of Christ?
Denying the virgin birth?
Denying the authority of the word of God?
Denying the resurrection?

This is what a "hyper-liberal" is, not someone who disagrees with you on certain topics. I doubt that anyone here comes even close to doing these things

[ January 16, 2006, 02:09 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]